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https://www.dansdeals.com/more/dans-commentary/dark-side-earning-credit-card-points-psa-dont-swipe-others/

https://www.mixcloud.com/zev-brenner/talkline-with-zev-brenner-on-credit-card-scams-affecting-the-orthodox-jewish-community/

http://podcast.headlinesbook.com/e/31616-credit-card-miles-and-points-swiping-for-rewards-buying-and-selling-miles-is-it-assur-and-a-chillul-hashem-or-a-great-way-for-a-side-parnassah/



BEFORE SWIPING FOR SOMEONE READ THIS: (first hand story)

https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=36812.msg2062371#msg2062371
https://www.dansdeals.com/more/dans-commentary/dark-side-earning-credit-card-points-psa-dont-swipe-others/#comment-1399884


Dan's warning to DDF:
I hope people realize that any buying group or anyone else that gets merchandise in advance of payment can go south at any time. That's even if you get a check at the time of delivery.
X-posting as I don't want anyone to say that I never put a warning here.

A story that ended up in court - https://iapps.courts.state.ny.us/nyscef/DocumentList?docketId=iRcRHuyZUdOIx69D00a5XQ==&display=all&courtType=Kings%20County%20Supreme%20Court&resultsPageNum=1


I am one of the biggest buyers for buying groups, I have done millions in transactions and have sent to every group there is over the past 3 years. Most buying groups are okay, some scan in slower than others, some pay slower than others - most will lose a few packages over the year. You can research and find which are better for you.

However there is a bigger problem now with Amazon itself.  Amazon in the past has been great with any problems always ready with a refund for lost packages even if it was thousands of dollars. Lately Amazon has clamped down and has tagged these buying groups addresses  in their systems as "freight forwarder" and now no longer will fix any problem you have whatsoever. Doesn't matter what the problem is, even if it shows the package was never delivered, amazon will not help you in any way. Their copy and paste response will always be "this item was sent to a freight forwarder and we're unable to replace or refund the item. We recommend contacting your freight forwarder for more details, as we don't have any more insight or information regarding this matter, For more information about sending items via freight forwarders, please visit our Help Pages: https://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html?nodeId=201117950." As well the amazon drivers either must know this or have been increasingly bad at delivering packages because the numbers of packages missing has gone up astronomically. Previously you would have very few packages missing, now the past 3 months I have had 59 "lost" packages. I now have over $15,000 of loses and some guy in Delaware is probably living the life with all the stuff he stole from me. I will survive, I have made a lot more than $15,000 over the years however just a warning to others here that things are not as they used to be and it really is no longer worth doing buring groups with all the loses piling up

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #2100 on: February 17, 2019, 12:08:53 PM »
All I know is that the frum world is down 25-50 million... Sad.

So who is up 20-50m?

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #2102 on: February 17, 2019, 01:04:50 PM »
Not to scare you it’s is 50-60M

After people declaring bankruptcy and settling with the cc
Hopefully everyone will be able to move on
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #2103 on: February 17, 2019, 01:08:50 PM »
After people declaring bankruptcy and settling with the cc
Hopefully everyone will be able to move on

Easier said than done..
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #2105 on: February 17, 2019, 01:16:49 PM »
How do poor people obtain hundreds of thousands of credit?

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #2106 on: February 17, 2019, 01:22:29 PM »
How do poor people obtain hundreds of thousands of credit?
Charge cards.... business cards from multiple people (husband, wife, fil, mil, uncle, friend that lives oot.)

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #2107 on: February 17, 2019, 01:45:43 PM »
All I know is that the frum world is down 25-50 million... Sad.
It is not like this money disappeared. Don't fall for that business model BS.

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #2108 on: February 17, 2019, 02:06:03 PM »
It is not like this money disappeared. Don't fall for that business model BS.
so what did happen?
What's your plan for yud shvat?

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #2109 on: February 17, 2019, 02:23:57 PM »
It is not like this money disappeared. Don't fall for that business model BS.
But they wont be getting money to pay off thier credit card bill, until frozen accounts are unfrozen or until inventory is sold off, and if that takes a year they're down +/- 26%. If they had 100k on CCs they will be out 26k they dont have.
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #2110 on: February 17, 2019, 02:29:14 PM »
People got scared off from the first story.

so now the company's that use cc swipes to pay back other people etc are having trouble paying back..
People getting scared is good.
It is not like this money disappeared. Don't fall for that business model BS.
It never existed, ultimately it was revolving credit, was it not?

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #2111 on: February 17, 2019, 02:29:54 PM »
But they wont be getting money to pay off thier credit card bill, until frozen accounts are unfrozen or until inventory is sold off, and if that takes a year they're down +/- 26%. If they had 100k on CCs they will be out 26k they dont have.
but that's not what they are telling the card holders, so sounds nice, but..
What's your plan for yud shvat?

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #2112 on: February 17, 2019, 02:52:06 PM »
How do poor people obtain hundreds of thousands of credit?
With relative ease

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #2113 on: February 17, 2019, 04:24:25 PM »
But they wont be getting money to pay off thier credit card bill, until frozen accounts are unfrozen or until inventory is sold off, and if that takes a year they're down +/- 26%. If they had 100k on CCs they will be out 26k they dont have.

How do u know the company who borrowed won’t also pay that back ?
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #2114 on: February 17, 2019, 04:24:56 PM »
How do poor people obtain hundreds of thousands of credit?
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #2115 on: February 17, 2019, 05:11:26 PM »
How do u know the company who borrowed won’t also pay that back ?
unless they have a printing press or win the lottery,
They ain't got the money to pay back,
The money is gone,
Cc were being charged to pay other cc's
What's your plan for yud shvat?

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #2116 on: February 17, 2019, 05:36:39 PM »
:( businesses should live by "yehi mamon chaveirecha chaviv mishelcha"

People, there's no easy way to get rich, I always tell people about risks and they laugh me off.

I paid off 250k in debt from a business collapse and don't how I had that strength.

It's also given me a lifetime avoidance to owing people money.

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #2117 on: February 17, 2019, 06:00:46 PM »
so what did happen?
Only 10K?! At the place being discussed on the Dont Swipe for Others thread, the raises came fast and furious. I saw guys getting pay doubled within 6 months.
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #2118 on: February 17, 2019, 06:04:49 PM »
Not to scare you it’s is 50-60M

You referring to S****? It’s not that bad.
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #2119 on: February 17, 2019, 06:31:49 PM »
You referring to S****? It’s not that bad.
This with the other stories.....
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