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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #2190 on: February 18, 2019, 03:23:35 PM »
Are you respecting the decisions of others who are choosing to discuss it?

Of course. If someone has hard facts, they are more than welcome to discuss and talk about it here.

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #2191 on: February 18, 2019, 03:28:15 PM »
Of course. If someone has hard facts, they are more than welcome to discuss and talk about it here.

those people feel threatened
maybe they feel threatened that they wont get paid back if they speak ? or maybe against their life ?


Anyone who was personally involved and has first hand information is more than welcome to speak out. It's the rumors and third hand information that should be stopped.

maybe if you stated facts then others would stop discussing if right fully so then

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #2192 on: February 18, 2019, 03:28:58 PM »
Thank you for sharing this. This is the first coherent post since the story broke that sheds light on what happened.

I do have some questions if you donít mind. I live in CH and have passed by Sterling almost every day for the last 20 years. I remember when they were selling a lot of actual electronics like cameras, video cameras, cell phones, watches etc and they sold many appliances to the CH community as well.

I would say that for the last ten years or so, with the exception of Tishrei and Erev Pesach, the store never looked busy to me. In fact, the store was sub-leasing space to an Esrogim dealer during the busiest season of the year. (Did the owners of Sterling have ownership in that esrogim business?) Why would a profitable business need to lease their space for extra income?

Now, at any given time the store (at least appears to) have on hand quite a bit of inventory. I also assume that what is on the shelves is only a small fraction of the inventory with the rest being kept in the basement or in a warehouse. Even on the retail side of the business, were they making enough profit to offset the cost of this inventory? For every Shabbos urn or microwave they sold, didnít they have 100 sitting in a warehouse?

I also noticed that they were heavily peddling prepaid sim cards, which is not something you normally see a thriving business doing. Prepaid sim cards are typically your corner bodega side-business. For the last five years or so, the store looked like a giant mess. The store itself had like five aisles. One of which was basically just picture frames. Other aisles had overpriced ancient cordless phones, alarm clocks, old cables and other garbage that nobody buys anymore. They seemed to slowly transition into housewares, but it still looked like a giant tornado had swept through the store whenever I did happen to set foot in there.

I never understood how a business like that can be profitable. I always assumed that the store was just a front for a profitable online business. My point is not to CĒV speak ill of the store or the owners. I just want to understand how a business like this operates, and why anyone on the outside would believe the owners to be worthy of a large investment.

Ok I will answer what I know:

The main seasons were Kinnus HaShluchim, Kinnus HaShluchos, and Pesach. They carried stuff with foreign voltage for that reason. Esrogim was finished by the time I got there.

There was no warehouse for the store, just the basement and a garage. I don't think they were overstocked, maybe just a disorganized look.

The SIM cards were a good product, as CH attracts a lot of foreigners. An Israeli or Frenchie who comes for Tishrei to 770 is getting one from Sterling, not a bodega.

It wasn't a huge operation, and the owners were real small business shopkeepers. It wasn't a "front", it was just were it started from. In my time, there was no investor for the store itself.

I hope this meets @Password criteria.

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #2193 on: February 18, 2019, 03:33:46 PM »
I'm not defending him, and I'm not saying it shouldn't be spoken about. All I am saying is if someone is stating "facts", they should make sure they are indeed facts.
Like i said, the issue has been taken care of.

Anyone who was personally involved and has first hand information is more than welcome to speak out. It's the rumors and third hand information that should be stopped.
From what I have seen @YesThatsMe has been pretty clear about what items he knows firsthand and what is hearsay. Considering that he was there for part of this the sources for what he has heard are probably pretty reliable. If there are any items which you are disputing feel free to correct them. Otherwise, respect his decision to discuss what he has heard from his sources. Why do you get to decide what should or shouldn't be discussed?
You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say can and will be used to start a religious discussion.

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #2194 on: February 18, 2019, 03:42:22 PM »

I hope this meets @Password criteria.
Why are you more beholden to his standards than he is to yours?
You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say can and will be used to start a religious discussion.

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #2195 on: February 18, 2019, 03:43:52 PM »
i'm waiting for someone from the amazon business to sign in here and say what's going on.....

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #2196 on: February 18, 2019, 04:02:51 PM »
is @Password starting a gofundme page for this ?
seriously, he is telling everyone not to say anything

we got to spread the word, stop other future crimes before they happen, help save potential future victims

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #2197 on: February 18, 2019, 04:13:57 PM »
A friend of mine was stopped by a family member from swiping >150k at one of these places just a week or two ago. Awareness saves people.

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #2198 on: February 18, 2019, 04:14:09 PM »
Honestly maybe a charidy campaign would be a good idea. And Dan can promote it in his DDMS post warning. The fan base will give, and relatives of all involved will give.

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #2199 on: February 18, 2019, 04:16:08 PM »
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seriously, he is telling everyone not to say anything
When did I say that?

What I said was:
I'm not defending him, and I'm not saying it shouldn't be spoken about. All I am saying is if someone is stating "facts", they should make sure they are indeed facts.
Like i said, the issue has been taken care of.

Anyone who was personally involved and has first hand information is more than welcome to speak out. It's the rumors and third hand information that should be stopped.

Everyone should definitely be aware of the swipe for points risks. I'm 100% for that.

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #2200 on: February 18, 2019, 04:19:29 PM »
When did I say that?

What I said was:
Everyone should definitely be aware of the swipe for points risks. I'm 100% for that.

again, you are not bringing any facts and you say you know what is going on....
facts were given before, it was posted on crownheights...
now are you saying that post is false ?
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #2201 on: February 18, 2019, 04:25:46 PM »
again, you are not bringing any facts and you say you know what is going on....
facts were given before, it was posted on crownheights...
now are you saying that post is false ?

I never said that post was false.

The only reason I posted here was to clarify information about one particular poster. That issue has since been resolved, so I have nothing else to add.
The whole story will come out in due time.

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #2202 on: February 18, 2019, 04:30:01 PM »
Honestly maybe a charidy campaign would be a good idea. And Dan can promote it in his DDMS post warning. The fan base will give, and relatives of all involved will give.
Where would the money go?
You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say can and will be used to start a religious discussion.

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #2203 on: February 18, 2019, 04:31:58 PM »
Where would the money go?

Victims, obviously. I'm sure plenty of them qualify for Tzedaka at this point, unfortunately.

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #2204 on: February 18, 2019, 04:35:39 PM »
Victims, obviously. I'm sure plenty of them qualify for Tzedaka at this point, unfortunately.

no need, @Password said that it might be worked out
we just have to wait it out. people should ignore the interest that they are building up and just hope for the best
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