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BEFORE SWIPING FOR SOMEONE READ THIS: (first hand story)

https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=36812.msg2062371#msg2062371
https://www.dansdeals.com/more/dans-commentary/dark-side-earning-credit-card-points-psa-dont-swipe-others/#comment-1399884


Dan's warning to DDF:
I hope people realize that any buying group or anyone else that gets merchandise in advance of payment can go south at any time. That's even if you get a check at the time of delivery.
X-posting as I don't want anyone to say that I never put a warning here.

A story that ended up in court - https://iapps.courts.state.ny.us/nyscef/DocumentList?docketId=iRcRHuyZUdOIx69D00a5XQ==&display=all&courtType=Kings%20County%20Supreme%20Court&resultsPageNum=1


I am one of the biggest buyers for buying groups, I have done millions in transactions and have sent to every group there is over the past 3 years. Most buying groups are okay, some scan in slower than others, some pay slower than others - most will lose a few packages over the year. You can research and find which are better for you.

However there is a bigger problem now with Amazon itself.  Amazon in the past has been great with any problems always ready with a refund for lost packages even if it was thousands of dollars. Lately Amazon has clamped down and has tagged these buying groups addresses  in their systems as "freight forwarder" and now no longer will fix any problem you have whatsoever. Doesn't matter what the problem is, even if it shows the package was never delivered, amazon will not help you in any way. Their copy and paste response will always be "this item was sent to a freight forwarder and we're unable to replace or refund the item. We recommend contacting your freight forwarder for more details, as we don't have any more insight or information regarding this matter, For more information about sending items via freight forwarders, please visit our Help Pages: https://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html?nodeId=201117950." As well the amazon drivers either must know this or have been increasingly bad at delivering packages because the numbers of packages missing has gone up astronomically. Previously you would have very few packages missing, now the past 3 months I have had 59 "lost" packages. I now have over $15,000 of loses and some guy in Delaware is probably living the life with all the stuff he stole from me. I will survive, I have made a lot more than $15,000 over the years however just a warning to others here that things are not as they used to be and it really is no longer worth doing buring groups with all the loses piling up

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #240 on: March 25, 2014, 02:49:51 PM »
Found it...
This looks like the Canadian AMEX cards (35K with refferal bonuses) look at the Smart Chip...
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #241 on: March 25, 2014, 03:26:09 PM »
This looks like the Canadian AMEX cards (35K with refferal bonuses) look at the Smart Chip...
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #242 on: March 25, 2014, 05:01:03 PM »
Seen in Montreal...
How is it possible for both Gold and Platinum Amex? (Unless one is personal and one Biz?)
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #243 on: March 25, 2014, 11:00:56 PM »
At least with Amex stopping churning these idiots putting up the ads and signs will go out of business.

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #244 on: March 25, 2014, 11:14:08 PM »
At least with Amex stopping churning these idiots putting up the ads and signs will go out of business.
They'll just do it with a different bank.

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #245 on: March 25, 2014, 11:20:32 PM »
At least with Amex stopping churning these idiots putting up the ads and signs will go out of business.

No, the contrary. They will be even more motivated to find people with fresh SSNs.

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #246 on: March 27, 2014, 01:02:35 PM »
Soon all banks are going to stop.

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #247 on: March 27, 2014, 01:12:10 PM »
Soon all banks are going to stop.
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #248 on: May 23, 2014, 06:04:14 PM »
How is it possible for both Gold and Platinum Amex? (Unless one is personal and one Biz?)
No Not business, the gold and platinum are two different cards
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #249 on: May 27, 2014, 09:45:14 AM »
Just saw there's an ad in the last Zman (Sivan) offering $5,000 to open a few credit cards, I'll upload the pic later.

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #250 on: May 27, 2014, 09:46:17 AM »
Just saw there's an ad in the last Zman (Sivan) offering $5,000 to open a few credit cards, I'll upload the pic later.
its been there for months, they have to be making money

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #251 on: May 27, 2014, 09:47:27 AM »
Just saw there's an ad in the last Zman (Sivan) offering $5,000 to open a few credit cards, I'll upload the pic later.
yup, saw it. Is it only Amex cards or do they open chase cards ?

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #252 on: May 27, 2014, 10:00:21 AM »
yup, saw it. Is it only Amex cards or do they open chase cards ?
Looks like it's only Amex (they have a disclaimer that you can only do it if you haven't had an MR card in the past 12 months... :-\)

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #253 on: May 27, 2014, 10:04:40 AM »
Looks like it's only Amex (they have a disclaimer that you can only do it if you haven't had an MR card in the past 12 months... :-\)
Hasn't that rule changed to forever ? ( I guess they don't either want to deal with chase recon)

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #254 on: May 27, 2014, 10:06:11 AM »
its been there for months, they have to be making money

They are. I just heard of one such person using them. There are gullible people, but I can't really blame the predators because these people aren't smart enough to do it themselves. It's a win-win.

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #255 on: May 27, 2014, 10:12:30 AM »
Hasn't that rule changed to forever ?
Not for business cards.

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #256 on: May 27, 2014, 10:16:28 AM »
It's a win-win.
Maybe for them, but for us it's a killer
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #257 on: May 27, 2014, 10:27:23 AM »
What exactly is their shtick? I know someone who did it and they asked me if I knew. I thought maybe they were doing regular MS on a crazy scale, but on the CC statements, it shows that they booked plane tickets in the cardholder's name, which the cardholder obviously will not be using. Also, they say not to ever use the cards again after they are done because it will "mess up their computers".

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #258 on: May 27, 2014, 10:51:43 AM »
What exactly is their shtick? I know someone who did it and they asked me if I knew. I thought maybe they were doing regular MS on a crazy scale, but on the CC statements, it shows that they booked plane tickets in the cardholder's name, which the cardholder obviously will not be using. Also, they say not to ever use the cards again after they are done because it will "mess up their computers".
WTH :o

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #259 on: May 27, 2014, 11:01:57 AM »
its been there for months, they have to be making money
Insane money, but really crooked stuff without any disclosure to those they fleece.
Anyone want to make a scan for the ad and upload it here?
Save your time, I don't answer PM. Post it in the forum and a dedicated DDF'er will get back to you as soon as possible.