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https://www.dansdeals.com/more/dans-commentary/dark-side-earning-credit-card-points-psa-dont-swipe-others/

https://www.mixcloud.com/zev-brenner/talkline-with-zev-brenner-on-credit-card-scams-affecting-the-orthodox-jewish-community/

http://podcast.headlinesbook.com/e/31616-credit-card-miles-and-points-swiping-for-rewards-buying-and-selling-miles-is-it-assur-and-a-chillul-hashem-or-a-great-way-for-a-side-parnassah/



BEFORE SWIPING FOR SOMEONE READ THIS: (first hand story)

https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=36812.msg2062371#msg2062371
https://www.dansdeals.com/more/dans-commentary/dark-side-earning-credit-card-points-psa-dont-swipe-others/#comment-1399884


Dan's warning to DDF:
I hope people realize that any buying group or anyone else that gets merchandise in advance of payment can go south at any time. That's even if you get a check at the time of delivery.
X-posting as I don't want anyone to say that I never put a warning here.

A story that ended up in court - https://iapps.courts.state.ny.us/nyscef/DocumentList?docketId=iRcRHuyZUdOIx69D00a5XQ==&display=all&courtType=Kings%20County%20Supreme%20Court&resultsPageNum=1


I am one of the biggest buyers for buying groups, I have done millions in transactions and have sent to every group there is over the past 3 years. Most buying groups are okay, some scan in slower than others, some pay slower than others - most will lose a few packages over the year. You can research and find which are better for you.

However there is a bigger problem now with Amazon itself.  Amazon in the past has been great with any problems always ready with a refund for lost packages even if it was thousands of dollars. Lately Amazon has clamped down and has tagged these buying groups addresses  in their systems as "freight forwarder" and now no longer will fix any problem you have whatsoever. Doesn't matter what the problem is, even if it shows the package was never delivered, amazon will not help you in any way. Their copy and paste response will always be "this item was sent to a freight forwarder and we're unable to replace or refund the item. We recommend contacting your freight forwarder for more details, as we don't have any more insight or information regarding this matter, For more information about sending items via freight forwarders, please visit our Help Pages: https://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html?nodeId=201117950." As well the amazon drivers either must know this or have been increasingly bad at delivering packages because the numbers of packages missing has gone up astronomically. Previously you would have very few packages missing, now the past 3 months I have had 59 "lost" packages. I now have over $15,000 of loses and some guy in Delaware is probably living the life with all the stuff he stole from me. I will survive, I have made a lot more than $15,000 over the years however just a warning to others here that things are not as they used to be and it really is no longer worth doing buring groups with all the loses piling up

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #2720 on: February 26, 2019, 03:41:04 PM »
Klein had long meetings with Streicher. They claim it's to benefit all involved but I have no doubt in my mind that they are working for him as well to fight anybody who tries disputing charges on their own.

If you pay them their fees they'll work for you to get the money back, but they are correct that unless you have clear proof that the charges were unauthorized, your stepping into dirty water trying to dispute, and the processing bank will most likely come after you.
Bold for emphasis,

The borrower is paying them, hence they are out to protect him, which is why
The perpetrator can also be trying to instill fear in his victims by spreading that they will caught up in a criminal investigation if they try to sue him. 

And if he is working for the borrowers he has an incentive to say that disputes can be illegal.
The only person that you should take legal advice from is a lawyer that is working for you and has your best interests in mind

and therefore
+1.
Anyone who has not yet talked to THEIR lawyer and Rov is insane.
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #2721 on: February 26, 2019, 04:54:09 PM »
I don't have nearly all the facts, but the likelihood that I would not have sued, asked for a TRO, and exerted some pressure, borders on zero.

Unfortunately, in these situations, it's sometimes the squeaky wheel that gets the grease -- if there is any.

This is not legal advice. Please consult a capable attorney at law.
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #2722 on: February 26, 2019, 05:03:47 PM »
A TRO restricting amazon selling?

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« Reply #2723 on: February 26, 2019, 05:28:34 PM »
A TRO restricting amazon selling?

...no?  ???

A TRO freezing whatever money he has left.
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #2724 on: February 26, 2019, 05:30:15 PM »
Has anyone called for a Din Torah yet? if not what are they waiting for?

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #2727 on: February 26, 2019, 06:20:59 PM »
https://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/general/1685704/dont-let-this-happen-to-you-the-dark-side-of-earning-credit-card-points.html
Huh? Did they just copy and past the article from DDMS? The only mention of Dan at all is in the comments which they copied also for some odd reason.
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #2729 on: February 26, 2019, 06:24:05 PM »
And of course a “Turn miles into money” ad right on top :D

Isnt their already a thread calling you a cheat ? Thief?
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #2730 on: February 26, 2019, 06:27:50 PM »
Isnt their already a thread calling you a cheat ? Thief?
But a CRONY I ain’t

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #2731 on: February 26, 2019, 06:33:48 PM »
Am I missing it or is there not a single attribution for this article?

What a shlock publication.
Time for a lawsuit!

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #2732 on: February 26, 2019, 06:34:28 PM »
wasn't everyone here ready to pay to get the PSA out.....
why be upset you got it free?
but dan should sue them

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #2733 on: February 26, 2019, 06:35:11 PM »
Isnt their already a thread calling you a cheat ? Thief?
What is up with all this guy's comments? Am I missing the joke or something?? ...
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #2734 on: February 26, 2019, 06:41:47 PM »
What is up with all this guy's comments? Am I missing the joke or something?? ...

Did you read @jj1000 post the other day
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #2735 on: February 26, 2019, 06:48:47 PM »
Am I missing it or is there not a single attribution for this article?

What a shlock publication.
+10000. Such chutzpah
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #2736 on: February 26, 2019, 07:21:44 PM »
Am I missing it or is there not a single attribution for this article?

What a shlock publication.
They usually to write the source of their articles, not sure why nothing here, but am assuming it has something to do with
the comments which they copied also for some odd reason.
looks like something got messed up

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #2737 on: February 26, 2019, 07:27:02 PM »
all the links are to ddms / ddf, so it sort of credits dan

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #2738 on: February 26, 2019, 07:29:55 PM »
all the links are to ddms / ddf, so it sort of credits dan
Uh, no, that's not how this works.
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #2739 on: February 26, 2019, 07:44:37 PM »
It says from DansDeals on the top now. Not sure what it said before.