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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #2940 on: March 03, 2019, 12:24:36 PM »
The course is still going on AFAIK
כל ההתחלות קשות, בלי התחלה קשה ביותר
מרבה נכסים מרבה דאגה, בלי נכסים דאגה ביותר

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #2941 on: March 03, 2019, 12:26:01 PM »
The course is still going on AFAIK
כאפט'ס אריין
It wont be available for too long...

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #2942 on: March 03, 2019, 12:27:24 PM »
Now they can advertize "how to sit on the couch and make 4 million"
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #2943 on: March 03, 2019, 12:35:25 PM »
Now they can advertize "how to sit on the couch and make 4 million"

"Don't ask what we will do to your credit, ask what your credit can do for you".

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #2944 on: March 03, 2019, 12:36:04 PM »
This is getting crazier by the minute. Nuts.

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #2945 on: March 03, 2019, 12:46:07 PM »
I just found out that this free course guy defaulted over 4 mil. of heimish innocent people's money

He's a farmer himself, or does he have a deal with a farmer to pay him for SS numbers?

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #2946 on: March 03, 2019, 01:35:31 PM »
I am not a Rabbi and not a Lawyer and burech hashem not a victim and not a family member of a victim AFAIK.
But I am wondering,  based on how the Justice dept works, based on what it's reported in the news always,  the Justice dept isn't interested in catching small fish, that's how it works by the labor dept atleast,  when you hire ileagels they will not charge the ileagels they will use them against the employer,  so I am sure here will work the same.
If all the victims organize as a class, hiring 1 good lawyer,  I am sure they can go to the Justice dept and work out a deal and they will go against the big fish.
Now if they work as a group, I am sure they will have the leverage to go back to those companies and tell them look we have a heter from a Rov,  (if they can get). The option is clear or you wonna work on a payback plan and do something real, let's say 60 cents on the dollar than its good, if not we will work with law enforcement and it will become a criminal case and they will end up paying much more and lose everything.
As far as it looks like now the perpetrators are hoping it should not be an organized opposition against them, hence trying to make the victims look as stupid investors, therefore people should hide as a shame.

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #2947 on: March 03, 2019, 01:35:56 PM »
Probably the #1 reason..
What frightens me the most is once the inevitable happens and this lands in court and the facts become clear, it then becomes a matter of time until the Post or even the Times start working on a story, it has all the buzz words and narrative filling facts to it.. Orthodox Jews, stealing money, bank fraud etc. Huge mess
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #2948 on: March 03, 2019, 01:42:35 PM »
I am not a Rabbi and not a Lawyer and burech hashem not a victim and not a family member of a victim AFAIK.
But I am wondering,  based on how the Justice dept works, based on what it's reported in the news always,  the Justice dept isn't interested in catching small fish, that's how it works by the labor dept atleast,  when you hire ileagels they will not charge the ileagels they will use them against the employer,  so I am sure here will work the same.
If all the victims organize as a class, hiring 1 good lawyer,  I am sure they can go to the Justice dept and work out a deal and they will go against the big fish.
Now if they work as a group, I am sure they will have the leverage to go back to those companies and tell them look we have a heter from a Rov,  (if they can get). The option is clear or you wonna work on a payback plan and do something real, let's say 60 cents on the dollar than its good, if not we will work with law enforcement and it will become a criminal case and they will end up paying much more and lose everything.
As far as it looks like now the perpetrators are hoping it should not be an organized opposition against them, hence trying to make the victims look as stupid investors, therefore people should hide as a shame.
I doubt these people have anything close to 60 cents on the dollar to payback.

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #2949 on: March 03, 2019, 01:43:42 PM »
I doubt these people have anything close to 60 cents on the dollar to payback.
still, the best option is to unite.
 

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #2950 on: March 03, 2019, 01:51:20 PM »
still, the best option is to unite.

Considering starting a group off DDF, perhaps Whatsapp or Telegram if annonymity  is an issue for some, for those that are victims of the “Toner.com” situation. PM me if interested and if enough people respond then would gladly bring us together as I truly believe we are better of fighting or even simply discussing this together rather than alone. Feel free to PM me anonymously if you’d like and I guess share something of your story so that we don’t have people who are just curious for more information jointing the group.

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #2951 on: March 03, 2019, 02:02:47 PM »
I doubt these people have anything close to 60 cents on the dollar to payback.

They should have something in assets, I doubt they just live off that and not invest in something,  plus they probably have family and friends who will help them to avoid criminal charges.
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #2952 on: March 03, 2019, 02:07:42 PM »
Anyway to listen to the show?

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #2953 on: March 03, 2019, 02:10:44 PM »
Considering starting a group off DDF, perhaps Whatsapp or Telegram if annonymity  is an issue for some, for those that are victims of the “Toner.com” situation. PM me if interested and if enough people respond then would gladly bring us together as I truly believe we are better of fighting or even simply discussing this together rather than alone. Feel free to PM me anonymously if you’d like and I guess share something of your story so that we don’t have people who are just curious for more information jointing the group.
Just remember to make everyone aware that they’re ok with the feds going through everything, starting from the application. Very important

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #2954 on: March 03, 2019, 02:33:49 PM »
Now they can advertize "how to sit on the couch and make 4 million"
yup real " productive "