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Re: Re: Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #3040 on: March 05, 2019, 10:06:42 AM »

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Re: Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #3041 on: March 05, 2019, 11:50:24 AM »
Amazed how the lawyer keeps saying that people should know about the risks.  I wonder, did his client tell everyone what they were really doing with the money, or were the cardholders under the false impression that the money was guaranteed back?
(There are many reasons a business would borrow money, some are virtually guaranteed to be paid back, such as using the money to pay a supplier on delivery, instead of waiting 90 days in order to get a discount, while others are extremely risky e.g. investing in new ideas or pocketing some of it)

I said earlier upthread that I believe he's framing the defense for Sterling as an ordinary business deal gone bad. If my suspicions are correct, he will argue that the funds were used in the ordinary course of business and that the "investors" took a gamble. This is why he keeps saying that people should "understand the risks".

While everyone is saying that this is a criminal case and that Sterling is the perpetrator of a major crime, Twersky is saying that Sterling is a business and that people who gave their cards were investors in the business.

Someone mentioned earlier that there were some investors that had contracts. I don't know the extent of that or what those contracts state. A poorly written contract is as good as no contract. It seems that many victims just gave their credit cards without any contract at all. I don't see why Twersky would have trouble arguing that it was nothing more than a risky investment. 

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #3042 on: March 05, 2019, 01:36:04 PM »
You'd probably have better luck helping people by going on David Lichtenstein's headlines as part of a panel, discussing the cases.

Any volunteers to pitch this to him?

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The halacha angle can be ribis and liability questions (and maybe include the credit Union question).

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #3043 on: March 05, 2019, 01:38:42 PM »
Any volunteers to pitch this to him?

info@headlinesbook.com

The halacha angle can be ribis and liability questions (and maybe include the credit Union question).

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #3044 on: March 05, 2019, 02:05:59 PM »
Any volunteers to pitch this to him?

info@headlinesbook.com

The halacha angle can be ribis and liability questions (and maybe include the credit Union question).
I'm going to be interviewed by him tomorrow.
What topics should I bring up?
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #3045 on: March 05, 2019, 02:15:04 PM »
I'm going to be interviewed by him tomorrow.
What topics should I bring up?
Just you or another panel ?

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #3046 on: March 05, 2019, 02:15:56 PM »
Just you or another panel ?
No idea. Didn't know last time it was a panel either.
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #3047 on: March 05, 2019, 02:18:24 PM »
I'm going to be interviewed by him tomorrow.
What topics should I bring up?

reinforce caution, education, and that all deals need to be made in writing, and that we need to pass this onto the current generation.

Also, perhaps an emphasis on how personal credit follows each individual for a long time. It can be valuable when treated carefully.
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #3048 on: March 05, 2019, 02:23:47 PM »
I'm going to be interviewed by him tomorrow.
What topics should I bring up?
IMHO:
Besides the topics others have mentioned:
1) Huge misconception: You can just dispute anything.
2) if you wouldnít hand over a suitcase of cash, donít give out your CC
3) stay away from farmers
4) the difference between a secured loan and unsecured

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #3049 on: March 05, 2019, 02:50:24 PM »
2) if you wouldnít hand over a suitcase of cash, donít give out your CC
-1 People made lots of money off the points, and they're only risking their Credit. If they have no plan on buying a house... then it might have been worth the risk. People made $15k every 6 weeks.  I would probably risk my credit for that, if I assumed it would go on for months or years.

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #3050 on: March 05, 2019, 02:52:17 PM »
I'm going to be interviewed by him tomorrow.
What topics should I bring up?
He's notorious for post interview edits.. don't think you would care much...

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #3051 on: March 05, 2019, 03:00:37 PM »
-1 People made lots of money off the points, and they're only risking their Credit. If they have no plan on buying a house... then it might have been worth the risk. People made $15k every 6 weeks.  I would probably risk my credit for that, if I assumed it would go on for months or years.
Like others have mentioned itís nearly impossible to earn $15,000 every 6 weeks while risking only one persons credit. Thatís $750,000 on a 2% card. Nevertheless, your point stands.

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #3052 on: March 05, 2019, 03:05:30 PM »
what would be the easiest way to secure borrowing a credit card lets say for a legit business to use my cards and to pay it when due on a monthly basis is there anyway to secure the money? (lets say a lean  on property)
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #3053 on: March 05, 2019, 03:09:07 PM »
1) Huge misconception: You can just dispute anything.
On what basis are you disputing?
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #3054 on: March 05, 2019, 03:10:53 PM »
On what basis are you disputing?
No, no
That is the misconception he's is referring to, people think you can dispute anything 

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #3055 on: March 05, 2019, 03:12:28 PM »
Like others have mentioned itís nearly impossible to earn $15,000 every 6 weeks while risking only one persons credit. Thatís $750,000 on a 2% card. Nevertheless, your point stands.
It's doable
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #3056 on: March 05, 2019, 03:14:36 PM »
No, no
That is the misconception he's is referring to, people think you can dispute anything 
Gotcha. But on the flip side, I'm hearing too many lawyers on the other side advising against disputing. The trick (b'dieved) is probably figuring out what exactly to dispute.
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #3057 on: March 05, 2019, 03:16:34 PM »
I'm going to be interviewed by him tomorrow.
What topics should I bring up?
The need for financial literacy education.  (he will eat this up like crazy) This doesn't mean learning math, science or economics, but the basic concepts of budgeting, interest, loans, etc.

The investment misnomer - these were loans at best, most victims probably didn't even think they were doing that.

The halachic ramifications of disputing charges.

People don't have to be willfully trying to scam you, some probably have the best of intentions.
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #3058 on: March 05, 2019, 03:17:31 PM »
The halachic ramifications of disputing charges.
Namely?
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #3059 on: March 05, 2019, 03:17:59 PM »
Twerski said he's involved in $50M of these cases.
Which side is he on in which case?
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