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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #3135 on: March 06, 2019, 10:58:24 AM »
May be good, but itís indicative of the fact that he will come in with an opinion and will take one side of an issue and tilt the show toward it....
He has people he disagrees with on all the time.
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #3136 on: March 06, 2019, 11:02:13 AM »
Sounds amazing. What did y'all get me into  ???
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #3137 on: March 06, 2019, 11:09:46 AM »
Sounds amazing. What did y'all get me into  ???
He has lots of listeners, including many that are complaining about him on this group.
Keep your cool and your focus and you'll be good. You might even teach other being interviewed how to stay cool and stick to their ground.
Make your credentials clear, the fact that you run a successful business, and that you constantly warn people of scams.

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #3138 on: March 06, 2019, 11:16:03 AM »
Sounds amazing. What did y'all get me into  ???

It's not as bad as I (and others) may have made it sound, especially since he probably agrees with you on this stuff. I think he just sometimes forgets that the purpose of having guests on is to hear their point of view, especially when it is a topic he is passionate about.

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #3139 on: March 06, 2019, 11:29:09 AM »
He is quite sharp and smart, donít take that away from him, but he does have the platform because of his wealth, and he will come in with his preconceived ideas. For example in one podcast from  what I remember (you can listen to the archives) he was pushing the idea of a skirt having to be four inches below the knee, as well as other guidelines was bogus, and therefore not binding,  and he seemed to suggest that not only a tefach of hair but even a tefach above the knee should be ok according to the beis Yosef and others. So he definitely will come in with an agenda. He is smart and has yedios- he can quote relevant Gemara and teshuvos so itís not like he is just blustering. [edited for accuracy]
a little learning is a dangerous thing. Sort of like giving advise on disputing credit card by being a DDF member.
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #3140 on: March 06, 2019, 11:29:35 AM »
It's not as bad as I (and others) may have made it sound, especially since he probably agrees with you on this stuff. I think he just sometimes forgets that the purpose of having guests on is to hear their point of view, especially when it is a topic he is passionate about.
Well, asking hard questions is a better way to gain clarity than having an echo chamber. See Bava Metzia.

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #3141 on: March 06, 2019, 11:34:11 AM »
a little bit of knowledge is a dangerous thing. Sort of like giving advise on disputing credit card by being a DDF member.
LOL

He has lots of listeners, including many that are complaining about him on this group.
Keep your cool and your focus and you'll be good. You might even teach other being interviewed how to stay cool and stick to their ground.
Make your credentials clear, the fact that you run a successful business, and that you constantly warn people of scams.

+1

Be sure to record it yourself in case of edits!!!
Also, he will prob have the attitude of m many wealthy people that credit card churning is for poor uneducated people and that it's just a way to take advantage of credit card companies. His undertones are very loud. Since he runs the show, the only way you can outshout him is by quoting real numbers and facts and citing sources. You can't just tell him "the credit card companies want people to sign up because most people....."
Also, he'll def challenge you on going against T&c by selling points.
You'll prob want to explain how the banks strong-arm the cardholders when they are in the mood, how they shut down and steal hard-earned points at their discretion. Also, the way they devaluate points and how points don't have legal cash value.
Lastly, tell him not to compare the Amazon tragedy to 9/11. And don't forget to talk about wealthy people declaring bankruptcy to save their assests. Ask him if that's also against his ethics.

Just clarifying, I could be wrong but I think Dan is on the show to talk about avoiding scams, being responsible with credit cards and the surrounding halachic issues.  If that's incorrect, someone can set me straight.  Are you advocating that on this taped show, Dan should advise people to go "against T&C by selling points" and "how points don't have a legal cash value" but they should sell them? And if points don't have a legal cash value (your assertion, not mine as I never looked into and use mine for fun vacations), how should he advocate valuing and selling them, illegally?  This doesn't sounds like a good idea to do in any forum. 

This guy can only challenge these assertions if Dan makes them and maybe I am naive but when has Dan himself (not all the posts by others on DDF) ever actually advised people to go against bank T&Cs to sell points? 



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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #3142 on: March 06, 2019, 11:38:03 AM »
Another aspect I just thought of in this whole brewing legal mess that seems to be coming.  I know nothing about the points buying businesses, do they generally issue 1099s?  Even if no one disputes charges, if the tax or other federal authorities do get involved are these Cardholders safe from a legal and tax standpoint?

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #3143 on: March 06, 2019, 11:46:44 AM »
Sounds amazing. What did y'all get me into  ???

I'm a regular listener of his and a fan. I would recommend to be prepared to be challenged over your "role" in popularizing the pursuit of miles and deals in the frum community, whether you bear  responsibility for it and whether it's healthy. Of course I have no idea if it'll go that way, but I would be prepared for it. (I'm not suggesting you do bear any such responsibility)

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #3144 on: March 06, 2019, 11:47:43 AM »
I'm a regular listener of his and a fan. I would recommend to be prepared to be challenged over your "role" in popularizing the pursuit of miles and deals in the frum community, whether you bear  responsibility for it and whether it's healthy. Of course I have no idea if it'll go that way, but I would be prepared for it.
That's easy to defend, assuming he's intellectually honest. If I listen to one podcast today from him, which should it be?
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #3145 on: March 06, 2019, 11:49:40 AM »
That's easy to defend, assuming he's intellectually honest. If I listen to one podcast today from him, which should it be?

I'd say this one might have the most crossover: http://podcast.headlinesbook.com/e/12118-dealing-with-criminals-and-scandals-what-wasnt-discussed-at-the-agudah-convention/

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #3146 on: March 06, 2019, 11:54:55 AM »
That's easy to defend, assuming he's intellectually honest. If I listen to one podcast today from him, which should it be?

Easy to defend, sure. If it was me and I was unprepared, I might find myself flustered. Lots of people not in the public eye are not accustomed to having their lifestyle/identity/livelihood challenged directly by a stranger, and could be tripped up even if they have plenty to say. I take it you've been here before?

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #3147 on: March 06, 2019, 11:57:10 AM »
Easy to defend, sure. If it was me and I was unprepared, I might find myself flustered. Lots of people not in the public eye are not accustomed to having their lifestyle/identity/livelihood challenged directly by a stranger, and could be tripped up even if they have plenty to say. I take it you've been here before?
There were often some people after a DDS who spoke up with tough questions. The worst I can remember was actually in CLE at a regional kinus hashluchim about hidden city ticketing and it caused a nasty fight in the room.
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #3148 on: March 06, 2019, 11:59:33 AM »
from the few that I listened to, DL is intellectual and comes very prepared. I dont think it will be an issue for you tho, just make sure to have your facts and figures.

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #3149 on: March 06, 2019, 12:01:33 PM »
but when has Dan himself (not all the posts by others on DDF) ever actually advised people to go against bank T&Cs to sell points? 
Maybe not explicitly "you can / should sell your points for cash", but offering "Have a ton of miles to burn? We can also work out a method to pay for the cruise with them!" certainly implied that.
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