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https://www.dansdeals.com/more/dans-commentary/dark-side-earning-credit-card-points-psa-dont-swipe-others/

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BEFORE SWIPING FOR SOMEONE READ THIS: (first hand story)

https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=36812.msg2062371#msg2062371
https://www.dansdeals.com/more/dans-commentary/dark-side-earning-credit-card-points-psa-dont-swipe-others/#comment-1399884


Dan's warning to DDF:
I hope people realize that any buying group or anyone else that gets merchandise in advance of payment can go south at any time. That's even if you get a check at the time of delivery.
X-posting as I don't want anyone to say that I never put a warning here.

A story that ended up in court - https://iapps.courts.state.ny.us/nyscef/DocumentList?docketId=iRcRHuyZUdOIx69D00a5XQ==&display=all&courtType=Kings%20County%20Supreme%20Court&resultsPageNum=1


I am one of the biggest buyers for buying groups, I have done millions in transactions and have sent to every group there is over the past 3 years. Most buying groups are okay, some scan in slower than others, some pay slower than others - most will lose a few packages over the year. You can research and find which are better for you.

However there is a bigger problem now with Amazon itself.  Amazon in the past has been great with any problems always ready with a refund for lost packages even if it was thousands of dollars. Lately Amazon has clamped down and has tagged these buying groups addresses  in their systems as "freight forwarder" and now no longer will fix any problem you have whatsoever. Doesn't matter what the problem is, even if it shows the package was never delivered, amazon will not help you in any way. Their copy and paste response will always be "this item was sent to a freight forwarder and we're unable to replace or refund the item. We recommend contacting your freight forwarder for more details, as we don't have any more insight or information regarding this matter, For more information about sending items via freight forwarders, please visit our Help Pages: https://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html?nodeId=201117950." As well the amazon drivers either must know this or have been increasingly bad at delivering packages because the numbers of packages missing has gone up astronomically. Previously you would have very few packages missing, now the past 3 months I have had 59 "lost" packages. I now have over $15,000 of loses and some guy in Delaware is probably living the life with all the stuff he stole from me. I will survive, I have made a lot more than $15,000 over the years however just a warning to others here that things are not as they used to be and it really is no longer worth doing buring groups with all the loses piling up

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #320 on: December 06, 2016, 07:20:42 PM »
You guys should have a DO
either that or Lo Lo went LuLu
Money talks...mine says goodbye!

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #321 on: December 06, 2016, 07:31:55 PM »
either that or Lo Lo went LuLu
It's not me, if that's what you mean.

And it's unlikely to be related to this story.

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #322 on: December 06, 2016, 07:38:45 PM »
It's not me, if that's what you mean.

And it's unlikely to be related to this story.
Ye but you did quote his post...

Anyway I was just kidding
Money talks...mine says goodbye!

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #323 on: December 06, 2016, 09:28:23 PM »
Ye but you did quote his post...

Anyway I was just kidding
I quoted him on a different point, whatever.

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #324 on: December 08, 2016, 03:14:12 AM »
Any update to this insanity?
"LESS IS MORE" It is the cumulative effect that kills deals!!! How many times do I have to say this?  >:(

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #325 on: December 08, 2016, 03:26:32 AM »
Any update to this insanity?
possibly. Who do you think is liable to pay Levi in this case?

Reuven gave Shimon his CC to use, Shimon went to Levi and told him let me swipe my card by you and pay me cash for the purcahse, Levi wasn't aware that it is really Reuven's card and that he may face any sort of risk he went and used the card at PayPal, end of the story, Shimon didn't pay Reuven, Reuven disputed the PayPal charge, Levi's PayPal account got frozen...






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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #326 on: December 08, 2016, 03:38:47 AM »
possibly. Who do you think is liable to pay Levi in this case?
I am totally confused. Is Levi out money (how) or is his PP account just locked?
"LESS IS MORE" It is the cumulative effect that kills deals!!! How many times do I have to say this?  >:(

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #327 on: December 08, 2016, 03:39:33 AM »
I am totally confused. Is Levi out money (how) or is his PP account just locked?
PP locked. Money that was disputed has been clawed back.

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #328 on: December 08, 2016, 03:43:18 AM »
PP locked. Money that was disputed has been clawed back.
I would be looking at Shimon then. He is responsible for everyone he deals with and I am responsible for everyone I deal with. SOP!
"LESS IS MORE" It is the cumulative effect that kills deals!!! How many times do I have to say this?  >:(

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #329 on: December 08, 2016, 03:44:36 AM »
I would be looking at Shimon then. He is responsible for everyone he deals with and I am responsible for everyone I deal with. SOP!
Well in Jewish law Reuven is prob liable to pay Levi now and had no right to initiate that dispute.

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #330 on: December 08, 2016, 03:47:30 AM »
Well in Jewish law Reuven is prob liable to pay Levi now and had no right to initiate that dispute.
If you ever deal with me we are using common sense not Jewish law.  ;)
"LESS IS MORE" It is the cumulative effect that kills deals!!! How many times do I have to say this?  >:(

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #331 on: December 08, 2016, 03:48:15 AM »
If you ever deal with me we are using common sense not Jewish law.  ;)
If you ever deal with me you better run if you screw me and don't stop to ask about law.

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #332 on: December 08, 2016, 03:49:22 AM »
If you ever deal with me we are using common sense not Jewish law.  ;)
And I can argue common sense either way.

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #333 on: December 08, 2016, 03:49:52 AM »
If you ever deal with me you better run if you screw me and don't stop to ask about law.
Part of common sense.
"LESS IS MORE" It is the cumulative effect that kills deals!!! How many times do I have to say this?  >:(

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #335 on: December 08, 2016, 03:50:45 AM »
And I can argue common sense either way.
Note to self: No deals with Emkay.
"LESS IS MORE" It is the cumulative effect that kills deals!!! How many times do I have to say this?  >:(

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #336 on: December 08, 2016, 03:52:36 AM »
The death threats are flying early.
Tomorrow is Friday. I did not take it as a death threat but something along the lines of a cattle prod.  :)
"LESS IS MORE" It is the cumulative effect that kills deals!!! How many times do I have to say this?  >:(

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #337 on: December 08, 2016, 05:25:08 AM »
If you ever deal with me we are using common sense not Jewish law.  ;)
Non related hypothetical question. If you owe me $1000, you go to the bank and get 10 crisp $100 bills and pay me. They next day the mint disqualifies all $100 bills. Who owes me that money? If anyone.

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #338 on: December 08, 2016, 05:52:43 AM »
Non related hypothetical question. If you owe me $1000, you go to the bank and get 10 crisp $100 bills and pay me. They next day the mint disqualifies all $100 bills. Who owes me that money? If anyone.
Not me unless they were disqualified before I gave them to you. Again we would use SOP and common sense. I would do whatever I can to try and fix the situation. I would probably accept some of the loss (because I am a nice guy) if we couldn't get it fixed.
"LESS IS MORE" It is the cumulative effect that kills deals!!! How many times do I have to say this?  >:(

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #339 on: December 08, 2016, 05:54:37 AM »
Not me unless they were disqualified before I gave them to you. Again we would use SOP and common sense. I would do whatever I can to try and fix the situation. I would probably accept some of the loss (because I am a nice guy) if we couldn't get it fixed.
So now please explain to me why this case is different. In simple terms please, im not to bright.
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