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BEFORE SWIPING FOR SOMEONE READ THIS: (first hand story)

https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=36812.msg2062371#msg2062371
https://www.dansdeals.com/more/dans-commentary/dark-side-earning-credit-card-points-psa-dont-swipe-others/#comment-1399884


Dan's warning to DDF:
I hope people realize that any buying group or anyone else that gets merchandise in advance of payment can go south at any time. That's even if you get a check at the time of delivery.
X-posting as I don't want anyone to say that I never put a warning here.

A story that ended up in court - https://iapps.courts.state.ny.us/nyscef/DocumentList?docketId=iRcRHuyZUdOIx69D00a5XQ==&display=all&courtType=Kings%20County%20Supreme%20Court&resultsPageNum=1


I am one of the biggest buyers for buying groups, I have done millions in transactions and have sent to every group there is over the past 3 years. Most buying groups are okay, some scan in slower than others, some pay slower than others - most will lose a few packages over the year. You can research and find which are better for you.

However there is a bigger problem now with Amazon itself.  Amazon in the past has been great with any problems always ready with a refund for lost packages even if it was thousands of dollars. Lately Amazon has clamped down and has tagged these buying groups addresses  in their systems as "freight forwarder" and now no longer will fix any problem you have whatsoever. Doesn't matter what the problem is, even if it shows the package was never delivered, amazon will not help you in any way. Their copy and paste response will always be "this item was sent to a freight forwarder and we're unable to replace or refund the item. We recommend contacting your freight forwarder for more details, as we don't have any more insight or information regarding this matter, For more information about sending items via freight forwarders, please visit our Help Pages: https://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html?nodeId=201117950." As well the amazon drivers either must know this or have been increasingly bad at delivering packages because the numbers of packages missing has gone up astronomically. Previously you would have very few packages missing, now the past 3 months I have had 59 "lost" packages. I now have over $15,000 of loses and some guy in Delaware is probably living the life with all the stuff he stole from me. I will survive, I have made a lot more than $15,000 over the years however just a warning to others here that things are not as they used to be and it really is no longer worth doing buring groups with all the loses piling up

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #3780 on: June 21, 2020, 05:38:09 PM »
Don’t count on an update. People are very quick to be vocal to call things out but not so quick to back something up when it goes their way.
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #3781 on: June 23, 2020, 02:42:43 AM »
He probably ordered apple watches and they waited until they lowered the prices to scan it in
Happened to someone I know...

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #3782 on: June 23, 2020, 08:31:41 AM »


Happened to someone I know...

This person you know, ordered the watches and filled out the form for full price and they were delivered before mys sent out the email that they are not accepting any more at full price?
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #3783 on: June 23, 2020, 09:23:28 AM »
He probably ordered apple watches and they waited until they lowered the prices to scan it in
Happened to someone I know...
If you fill out out a form, they will always honor the higher price.
It might get scanned in with the lower price, but a ticket will take care of it.

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #3784 on: June 24, 2020, 01:02:36 AM »
Afaf , He returned 18000 dollars to amazon of assorted  apple  watches  and airpods that he ordered to his house for different buying groups,after the price  dropped.  He did not match the serial number to each return,and  he used many different amazon accounts to purchase. Now amazon is either not issuing the refunds or clawing back the ones they gave him . He is trying to at least get his items shipped back to him but they claim they discarded it.  trying to do an online search if anyone discusses  accidentally sending back the wrong item to amazon if they get it back, but obviously ymmv over the months and years.It seems as if recently amazon is cracking down on serial numbers not matching up.  my question is if he were to go directly  down to the fulfillment center where the items were returned would there be someone to talk to ? I know it sounds  far fetched, but maybe sometimes in person if possible,with amazon return center could help him recover his lost items? thank you in advance for your input.

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« Reply #3785 on: June 24, 2020, 02:07:18 AM »
Afaf , He returned 18000 dollars to amazon of assorted  apple  watches  and airpods that he ordered to his house for different buying groups,after the price  dropped.  He did not match the serial number to each return,and  he used many different amazon accounts to purchase. Now amazon is either not issuing the refunds or clawing back the ones they gave him . He is trying to at least get his items shipped back to him but they claim they discarded it.  trying to do an online search if anyone discusses  accidentally sending back the wrong item to amazon if they get it back, but obviously ymmv over the months and years.It seems as if recently amazon is cracking down on serial numbers not matching up.  my question is if he were to go directly  down to the fulfillment center where the items were returned would there be someone to talk to ? I know it sounds  far fetched, but maybe sometimes in person if possible,with amazon return center could help him recover his lost items? thank you in advance for your input.
I highly doubt that would work, I think your best bet is to move up the chain at Amazon and if that doesn't work, do CC charge backs, just make sure he has good documentation.
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #3786 on: June 24, 2020, 07:12:37 AM »

This person you know, ordered the watches and filled out the form for full price and they were delivered before mys sent out the email that they are not accepting any more at full price?
Happened to me.

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« Reply #3787 on: June 24, 2020, 07:53:50 AM »
I highly doubt that would work, I think your best bet is to move up the chain at Amazon and if that doesn't work, do CC charge backs, just make sure he has good documentation.
I'm confused. Why would escalation and charge backs work here? And why should they?
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #3788 on: June 24, 2020, 12:11:51 PM »
I'm confused. Why would escalation and charge backs work here? And why should they?
if they aren't accepting your returns, on what basis are they discarding them? They should return them to you at your expense

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #3789 on: June 24, 2020, 12:27:34 PM »
if they aren't accepting your returns, on what basis are they discarding them? They should return them to you at your expense
That doesn’t mean you can dispute a purchase due to your own error (returning wrong item).

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #3790 on: June 24, 2020, 12:42:51 PM »
I'm confused. Why would escalation and charge backs work here? And why should they?
Did I say they would work? I said they're his best options, do you have a better idea for him at this point?
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« Reply #3791 on: June 24, 2020, 12:47:23 PM »
Did I say they would work? I said they're his best options, do you have a better idea for him at this point?

I also asked why they SHOULD work. He bought $18K in watches, returned items other than ones he purchased, and then wants to dispute on what basis?

An earlier comment made a good point -- he is entitled to the watches he returned, period.  However, that isn't what he ultimately wants.  But what he ultimately wants is not and likely should not be achievable through either avenue you suggested.
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« Reply #3792 on: June 24, 2020, 12:49:57 PM »
I also asked why they SHOULD work. He bought $18K in watches, returned items other than ones he purchased, and then wants to dispute on what basis?

An earlier comment made a good point -- he is entitled to the watches he returned, period.  However, that isn't what he ultimately wants.  But what he ultimately wants is not and likely should not be achievable through either avenue you suggested.
I agree that it's his own fault that he returned the wrong watches but, as you point out, he is entitled to get them back at his own expense. Amazon can't just keep items of such high value without giving him a chance to pay for shipping back to him. If they refuse I can definitely see how a charge back is in order.
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« Reply #3793 on: June 24, 2020, 12:53:16 PM »
I agree to the extent it's limited to a return of the watches.
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« Reply #3794 on: June 24, 2020, 01:47:51 PM »
It's interesting. If the company where to send him wrong items he would not need to return it.

"What do you do when you receive merchandise that you didn’t order? According to the Federal Trade Commission, you don’t have to pay for it. Federal laws prohibit mailing unordered merchandise to consumers and then demanding payment...If you receive merchandise that you didn’t order, you have a legal right to keep it as a free gift. Although you have no legal obligation to notify the seller, you may write the seller and offer to return the merchandise, provided the seller pays for shipping and handling."

But Visa via the company has to return it?
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #3795 on: June 24, 2020, 02:01:26 PM »
im done with these buying groups. bunch of gangsters!!!

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #3796 on: June 24, 2020, 02:03:46 PM »
I highly doubt that would work, I think your best bet is to move up the chain at Amazon and if that doesn't work, do CC charge backs, just make sure he has good documentation.
thank you for that

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #3797 on: June 24, 2020, 02:08:07 PM »
im done with these buying groups. bunch of gangsters!!!
Who exactly is the gangster?
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #3798 on: June 24, 2020, 02:12:29 PM »
im done with these buying groups. bunch of gangsters!!!
It is not the buying groups fault at all! He just failed to give it in on time before the price dropped,due to immediate family members being very ill from covid-19,  and then when he tried to return them to amazon he neglected to match the serial numbers to each order and mixed it up from a  bunch of different accounts. He"ll be thrilled just  to get his items he ordered back and now amazon wont return it back to him, claiming it was discarded because he returned the watches and airpods without  matching the serial numbers to each order.

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #3799 on: June 24, 2020, 02:16:08 PM »
i know it sounds very farfetched but does amazon have a walk in option in any of their return centers?