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https://www.dansdeals.com/more/dans-commentary/dark-side-earning-credit-card-points-psa-dont-swipe-others/

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BEFORE SWIPING FOR SOMEONE READ THIS: (first hand story)

https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=36812.msg2062371#msg2062371
https://www.dansdeals.com/more/dans-commentary/dark-side-earning-credit-card-points-psa-dont-swipe-others/#comment-1399884


Dan's warning to DDF:
I hope people realize that any buying group or anyone else that gets merchandise in advance of payment can go south at any time. That's even if you get a check at the time of delivery.
X-posting as I don't want anyone to say that I never put a warning here.

A story that ended up in court - https://iapps.courts.state.ny.us/nyscef/DocumentList?docketId=iRcRHuyZUdOIx69D00a5XQ==&display=all&courtType=Kings%20County%20Supreme%20Court&resultsPageNum=1


I am one of the biggest buyers for buying groups, I have done millions in transactions and have sent to every group there is over the past 3 years. Most buying groups are okay, some scan in slower than others, some pay slower than others - most will lose a few packages over the year. You can research and find which are better for you.

However there is a bigger problem now with Amazon itself.  Amazon in the past has been great with any problems always ready with a refund for lost packages even if it was thousands of dollars. Lately Amazon has clamped down and has tagged these buying groups addresses  in their systems as "freight forwarder" and now no longer will fix any problem you have whatsoever. Doesn't matter what the problem is, even if it shows the package was never delivered, amazon will not help you in any way. Their copy and paste response will always be "this item was sent to a freight forwarder and we're unable to replace or refund the item. We recommend contacting your freight forwarder for more details, as we don't have any more insight or information regarding this matter, For more information about sending items via freight forwarders, please visit our Help Pages: https://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html?nodeId=201117950." As well the amazon drivers either must know this or have been increasingly bad at delivering packages because the numbers of packages missing has gone up astronomically. Previously you would have very few packages missing, now the past 3 months I have had 59 "lost" packages. I now have over $15,000 of loses and some guy in Delaware is probably living the life with all the stuff he stole from me. I will survive, I have made a lot more than $15,000 over the years however just a warning to others here that things are not as they used to be and it really is no longer worth doing buring groups with all the loses piling up

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #3900 on: October 12, 2020, 12:21:28 AM »
they are purposely delaying scanning to say it came in after deadline, my packages were all shown delivered before deadline, but they refuse to honor the prices.
big bad one
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #3901 on: October 12, 2020, 02:44:27 AM »
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didn't they send out an email that they will honor?



Previously we have informed you that we had updated our prices in MYS to the lower Amazon price for all new iPads and watches. We had asked that anyone who paid the higher price should add their tracking number to order management and we would have them rejected and sent back to Amazon.

At this time, given the upcoming holiday which will be immediately followed by Prime Day, we realized that this was not a sustainable solution, and we simply would not be able to have all those packages returned in a time frame that would satisfy our buyers.

As such, we made the following decision, with YOU, THE BUYER, in mind:

We have decided to check in all the previously “rejected” packages at the lower price.

If you paid the higher price, please open a support ticket AFTER YOUR ITEMS HAVE BEEN CHECKED IN, mention the appropriate receipt ID, and we will revise the prices to the prices you paid.  You will be asked for a valid proof of purchase! NO EXCEPTIONS MADE!

Please note; This offer stands only for tracking numbers already entered and marked as "rejected". As stated in our previous email, we will not be accepting this model for new orders and the like.

We hope you understand that this decision comes with significant financial consequences for us.

We hope this helps you enter the holiday with a little peace of mind, and we look forward to a very successful prime day!

Please be patient as we scan in your orders.

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #3902 on: October 12, 2020, 03:10:21 AM »
didn't they send out an email that they will honor?



Previously we have informed you that we had updated our prices in MYS to the lower Amazon price for all new iPads and watches. We had asked that anyone who paid the higher price should add their tracking number to order management and we would have them rejected and sent back to Amazon.

At this time, given the upcoming holiday which will be immediately followed by Prime Day, we realized that this was not a sustainable solution, and we simply would not be able to have all those packages returned in a time frame that would satisfy our buyers.

As such, we made the following decision, with YOU, THE BUYER, in mind:

We have decided to check in all the previously “rejected” packages at the lower price.

If you paid the higher price, please open a support ticket AFTER YOUR ITEMS HAVE BEEN CHECKED IN, mention the appropriate receipt ID, and we will revise the prices to the prices you paid.  You will be asked for a valid proof of purchase! NO EXCEPTIONS MADE!

Please note; This offer stands only for tracking numbers already entered and marked as "rejected". As stated in our previous email, we will not be accepting this model for new orders and the like.

We hope you understand that this decision comes with significant financial consequences for us.

We hope this helps you enter the holiday with a little peace of mind, and we look forward to a very successful prime day!

Please be patient as we scan in your orders.

Thanks
that doesnt helped for all the packages which the tracking was uploaded before they let us know to mark them as rejected, and which were "miraculously" marked as received after the cutoff date even when the tracking shows they were delivered before!

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #3903 on: October 12, 2020, 03:10:58 AM »
It seems like there's always some Yom Tov going on in that place. Anything to squeeze a little more... Be careful folks!
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #3904 on: October 12, 2020, 10:08:23 AM »
that doesnt helped for all the packages which the tracking was uploaded before they let us know to mark them as rejected, and which were "miraculously" marked as received after the cutoff date even when the tracking shows they were delivered before!
According to my timeline, they said they were not taking anymore as of that Monday morning. They gave basically an entire day to mark as rejected before they continued scanning. Not saying it is right what they originally attempted to do but they definitely gave everyone options for recourse.

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #3906 on: October 13, 2020, 09:52:04 AM »
Is it still possible to order tax exempt from bestbuy using guest checkout?

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #3907 on: October 13, 2020, 09:57:36 AM »
Is it still possible to order tax exempt from bestbuy using guest checkout?
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #3908 on: October 13, 2020, 10:21:59 AM »
No
Thanks, so only way to come out ahead with buying groups is ordering to DE?

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #3909 on: October 13, 2020, 11:42:38 AM »
Thanks, so only way to come out ahead with buying groups is ordering to DE?
Or get your own tax exempt card.

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #3910 on: October 15, 2020, 03:04:03 PM »
What in the world is going on with USA? Making everyone return watches that were delivered way before their cutoff??

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #3911 on: October 15, 2020, 03:10:45 PM »
That this has become the de facto buying group thread is telling.
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #3912 on: October 15, 2020, 03:12:35 PM »
That this has become the de facto buying group thread is telling that every new buying group thread created, gets deleted by the mods.
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #3913 on: October 16, 2020, 02:34:59 AM »
I just joined my first buying group yesterday. (MSY BUYING BROUP) the only credit card I have right now is my discover cashback card. Any recommendations for the beat buying groups to join for beginners. (I don’t currently have a job, so I have a lot of time trying to find ways to bring in some income)

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #3914 on: October 16, 2020, 02:43:25 AM »
I just joined my first buying group yesterday. (MSY BUYING BROUP) the only credit card I have right now is my discover cashback card. Any recommendations for the best buying groups to join for beginners. (I don’t currently have a job, so I have a lot of time trying to find ways to bring in some income)
Don't really want to be the one to burst your bubble. But it's not with BG.

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #3915 on: October 16, 2020, 07:10:16 AM »
I just joined my first buying group yesterday. (MSY BUYING BROUP) the only credit card I have right now is my discover cashback card. Any recommendations for the beat buying groups to join for beginners. (I don’t currently have a job, so I have a lot of time trying to find ways to bring in some income)
Spend the time finding a job, not a buying group..

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #3916 on: October 16, 2020, 07:41:45 AM »
I just joined my first buying group yesterday. (MSY BUYING BROUP) the only credit card I have right now is my discover cashback card. Any recommendations for the beat buying groups to join for beginners. (I don’t currently have a job, so I have a lot of time trying to find ways to bring in some income)

Did you read the entire thread?
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #3917 on: October 16, 2020, 09:45:02 AM »
I just joined my first buying group yesterday. (MYS BUYING BROUP) the only credit card I have right now is my discover cashback card. Any recommendations for the beat buying groups to join for beginners. (I don’t currently have a job, so I have a lot of time trying to find ways to bring in some income)
Personally I only do BGs when I need to hit a SUB. Otherwise it's just not worth it when you calculate the risks involved
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #3918 on: October 16, 2020, 12:46:03 PM »
Personally I only do BGs when I need to hit a SUB. Otherwise it's just not worth it when you calculate the risks involved
IME there are four categories of buyers

1) Those who use them just to hit SUBs

2) Those who use them to generally rack up points by buying often and selectively choosing what cards/GCs they use

3) Those who use them to make serious money by scaling and negotiating commissions

4) Those who don’t know the system that well and are trying to make a few dollars and some points

The first 3 ways have their merits, but the 4th (which is many people) end up making very little money for their time/risk.
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #3919 on: October 16, 2020, 12:53:01 PM »
IME there are four categories of buyers

1) Those who use them just to hit SUBs

2) Those who use them to generally rack up points by buying often and selectively choosing what cards/GCs they use

3) Those who use them to make serious money by scaling and negotiating commissions

4) Those who don’t know the system that well and are trying to make a few dollars and some points

The first 3 ways have their merits, but the 4th (which is many people) end up making very little money for their time/risk.
Ye I usually fall into cat 1 occasionally cat 2 but how does cat 3 use GCs? Doesn't amazon shut you down for using GCs to ship to DE?
Still looking for a good MS method :)