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BEFORE SWIPING FOR SOMEONE READ THIS: (first hand story)

https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=36812.msg2062371#msg2062371
https://www.dansdeals.com/more/dans-commentary/dark-side-earning-credit-card-points-psa-dont-swipe-others/#comment-1399884


Dan's warning to DDF:
I hope people realize that any buying group or anyone else that gets merchandise in advance of payment can go south at any time. That's even if you get a check at the time of delivery.
X-posting as I don't want anyone to say that I never put a warning here.

A story that ended up in court - https://iapps.courts.state.ny.us/nyscef/DocumentList?docketId=iRcRHuyZUdOIx69D00a5XQ==&display=all&courtType=Kings%20County%20Supreme%20Court&resultsPageNum=1


I am one of the biggest buyers for buying groups, I have done millions in transactions and have sent to every group there is over the past 3 years. Most buying groups are okay, some scan in slower than others, some pay slower than others - most will lose a few packages over the year. You can research and find which are better for you.

However there is a bigger problem now with Amazon itself.  Amazon in the past has been great with any problems always ready with a refund for lost packages even if it was thousands of dollars. Lately Amazon has clamped down and has tagged these buying groups addresses  in their systems as "freight forwarder" and now no longer will fix any problem you have whatsoever. Doesn't matter what the problem is, even if it shows the package was never delivered, amazon will not help you in any way. Their copy and paste response will always be "this item was sent to a freight forwarder and we're unable to replace or refund the item. We recommend contacting your freight forwarder for more details, as we don't have any more insight or information regarding this matter, For more information about sending items via freight forwarders, please visit our Help Pages: https://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html?nodeId=201117950." As well the amazon drivers either must know this or have been increasingly bad at delivering packages because the numbers of packages missing has gone up astronomically. Previously you would have very few packages missing, now the past 3 months I have had 59 "lost" packages. I now have over $15,000 of loses and some guy in Delaware is probably living the life with all the stuff he stole from me. I will survive, I have made a lot more than $15,000 over the years however just a warning to others here that things are not as they used to be and it really is no longer worth doing buring groups with all the loses piling up

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #4380 on: December 23, 2021, 07:48:52 PM »
but there online platform is terrible to keep track
They don't use the same software that everyone else uses?

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #4381 on: December 23, 2021, 07:50:47 PM »
They don't use the same software that everyone else uses?
Nope
If it benefits even just one fellow DDFer, its worth posting it.

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #4383 on: December 23, 2021, 08:39:46 PM »
Do you enter tracking info?
yes.
Still waiting for some November deliveries. No follow-up from CS. I contacted them 2 weeks ago.
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Because you have to deal with everyone who doesn't have it.

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #4384 on: December 23, 2021, 08:42:01 PM »
What he’s trying to say is that he’s using DDF as a way to post negative reviews as leverage and in the hope this will get this BG to rectify.
Im good with that btw.
no. I don't even have such hopes :(
Just a PSA to others who go down this route to be wary.
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #4385 on: December 23, 2021, 08:44:58 PM »
such as?
all 5 others I've tried are substantially better. At least during BF busy season.
Not sure if I'm supposed to mention here.
Isn't there some sort of code on here not to promote these groups?
You can PM me for thoughts
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #4386 on: December 23, 2021, 09:25:24 PM »
SMH
Penny wise, pound foolish
The software is pretty expensive

He charges a percentage of the profits

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #4387 on: December 23, 2021, 10:33:46 PM »
The software is pretty expensive

He charges a percentage of the profits
Do you know this for a fact? How? This seems fascinating. Also TDB software for committing is different, what’s up with that?
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« Reply #4388 on: December 23, 2021, 10:38:40 PM »
Do you know this for a fact? How? This seems fascinating. Also TDB software for committing is different, what’s up with that?
Had a long talk with him about the software and IIRC he mentioned this to me. It's a great business model (at the very least, for him). His product is really good and in a different stratosphere than any alternative, and gives a real upper hand to BGs that use it (as evident upthread).

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #4389 on: December 23, 2021, 10:40:04 PM »
Do you know this for a fact? How? This seems fascinating. Also TDB software for committing is different, what’s up with that?
I know who the guy is that made the software, he was telling me that it is 40k lines of code and would take another person a while to build the same thing,  and I know someone that spoke to him for a few hours about maybe using his software.

It isnt cheap but he is constantly working and updating, upgrading software

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« Reply #4390 on: December 23, 2021, 10:43:38 PM »
I know who the guy is that made the software, he was telling me that it is 40k lines of code and would take another person a while to build the same thing,  and I know someone that spoke to him for a few hours about maybe using his software.

It isnt cheap but he is constantly working and updating, upgrading software
+1000

It's top notch stuff; he's very talented.

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« Reply #4391 on: December 23, 2021, 11:04:55 PM »
The software is pretty expensive

He charges a percentage of the profits
Yeah, a percentage is a bit next level to charge for software
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« Reply #4392 on: December 23, 2021, 11:11:00 PM »
Yeah, a percentage is a bit next level to charge for software
Why? It's a great way to scale the subscription - use it a little, pay a little; use it a lot, pay a lot. Best way to quantify usage fairly is by revenue traffic, since that's essentially (in very simple terms) what his software does: tracks the buying traffic. It's not profit sharing (he's not sharing in their retail profit), it's pay per use.

Sounds sensible to me.

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« Reply #4393 on: December 23, 2021, 11:33:04 PM »
Why? It's a great way to scale the subscription - use it a little, pay a little; use it a lot, pay a lot. Best way to quantify usage fairly is by revenue traffic, since that's essentially (in very simple terms) what his software does: tracks the buying traffic. It's not profit sharing (he's not sharing in their retail profit), it's pay per use.

Sounds sensible to me.
How is pay per use a percentage?
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« Reply #4394 on: December 23, 2021, 11:46:50 PM »
How is pay per use a percentage?
Pay per use as opposed to profit sharing, which is what "percentage" implies. The use in this context means the amount that's scanned thru the system -  it's not a "percentage of profits".

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« Reply #4395 on: December 24, 2021, 12:12:51 AM »
Pay per use as opposed to profit sharing, which is what "percentage" implies. The use in this context means the amount that's scanned thru the system -  it's not a "percentage of profits".
This guy has 2 options. Either percentage of profits or an amount for every dollar that's scanned through the system.
It usually equals out to the same

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« Reply #4396 on: December 24, 2021, 01:02:30 AM »
This guy has 2 options. Either percentage of profits or an amount for every dollar that's scanned through the system.
It usually equals out to the same
How could he do profits? The system tracks the wholesaling side of the business too? If not, how would he track the BG profits to know if they're paying him the right amount?

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« Reply #4397 on: December 24, 2021, 01:28:22 AM »
How could he do profits? The system tracks the wholesaling side of the business too? If not, how would he track the BG profits to know if they're paying him the right amount?
Maybe he has an integration with Seller Central? Must be new - he didn't mention it to me when I spoke to him about a year ago.

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« Reply #4398 on: December 24, 2021, 04:29:29 AM »
Interesting discussion, I was actually thinking about making a similar software.
I would charge with tiers on a monthly / yearly plan. The problem with his current pricing is with smaller buying groups, it's a cost they can't afford.
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« Reply #4399 on: December 24, 2021, 07:54:17 AM »
How could he do profits? The system tracks the wholesaling side of the business too? If not, how would he track the BG profits to know if they're paying him the right amount?
Yes, it also tracks the selling also