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BEFORE SWIPING FOR SOMEONE READ THIS: (first hand story)

https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=36812.msg2062371#msg2062371
https://www.dansdeals.com/more/dans-commentary/dark-side-earning-credit-card-points-psa-dont-swipe-others/#comment-1399884


Dan's warning to DDF:
I hope people realize that any buying group or anyone else that gets merchandise in advance of payment can go south at any time. That's even if you get a check at the time of delivery.
X-posting as I don't want anyone to say that I never put a warning here.

A story that ended up in court - https://iapps.courts.state.ny.us/nyscef/DocumentList?docketId=iRcRHuyZUdOIx69D00a5XQ==&display=all&courtType=Kings%20County%20Supreme%20Court&resultsPageNum=1


I am one of the biggest buyers for buying groups, I have done millions in transactions and have sent to every group there is over the past 3 years. Most buying groups are okay, some scan in slower than others, some pay slower than others - most will lose a few packages over the year. You can research and find which are better for you.

However there is a bigger problem now with Amazon itself.  Amazon in the past has been great with any problems always ready with a refund for lost packages even if it was thousands of dollars. Lately Amazon has clamped down and has tagged these buying groups addresses  in their systems as "freight forwarder" and now no longer will fix any problem you have whatsoever. Doesn't matter what the problem is, even if it shows the package was never delivered, amazon will not help you in any way. Their copy and paste response will always be "this item was sent to a freight forwarder and we're unable to replace or refund the item. We recommend contacting your freight forwarder for more details, as we don't have any more insight or information regarding this matter, For more information about sending items via freight forwarders, please visit our Help Pages: https://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html?nodeId=201117950." As well the amazon drivers either must know this or have been increasingly bad at delivering packages because the numbers of packages missing has gone up astronomically. Previously you would have very few packages missing, now the past 3 months I have had 59 "lost" packages. I now have over $15,000 of loses and some guy in Delaware is probably living the life with all the stuff he stole from me. I will survive, I have made a lot more than $15,000 over the years however just a warning to others here that things are not as they used to be and it really is no longer worth doing buring groups with all the loses piling up

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #4960 on: April 04, 2023, 01:10:48 PM »
Google Law Payne and Hardbody. Here’s a link to a lawsuit from last year.

https://www.bizjournals.com/kansascity/news/2022/11/02/hardbody-supplements-lawrence-patricia-payne-fraud.html

There’s also HBFC which you won’t find much about. People behind it were selling tier access to Hardbody products. There was a discussion on Reddit but it got limited.

It’s incredibly sad as some people are looking at bankruptcy, loosing their homes, and have contemplated suicide.

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #4961 on: April 04, 2023, 01:40:56 PM »
The Williamsburg scheme was also Hardbody?

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #4962 on: April 04, 2023, 09:04:51 PM »
Shayches?! For u maybe it’s not worth it for others it may be everyone is entitled to do what works for them…. If you are a whale can make a lot…
Show me one person actually making $$ with BGs.

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #4963 on: April 05, 2023, 06:44:41 AM »
Many people consider they’re making money if they’re meeting MSR or using a 5%+ CB card.

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #4964 on: April 05, 2023, 07:39:38 AM »
Many people consider they’re making money if they’re meeting MSR or using a 5%+ CB card.

I wouldn't call that making money... Unless you're spending $20000+ regularly.

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #4965 on: April 05, 2023, 09:26:46 AM »
Show me one person actually making $$ with BGs.

Know several people making six figures.
2015: 116K bkd | 1.6M brnd | F: OZ,NH,AA,EK | J: UA,CA,TK,DL,TN,AF,VA | LIH,NRT,ROR,PEK,CNS,BOB,MEL,TLV & Pacific Hopper

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #4966 on: April 05, 2023, 10:07:29 AM »
Know several people making six figures.

THIS ^^^  I made 6 figures last year but won't this year-- at least not from BGs. I don't do BC deals, but I have other avenues available with way less risk and less hassle. The Amazon that use to refund lost or stolen packages is history.

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« Reply #4967 on: April 05, 2023, 10:10:34 AM »
THIS ^^^  I made 6 figures last year but won't this year-- at least not from BGs. I don't do BC deals, but I have other avenues available with way less risk and less hassle. The Amazon that use to refund lost or stolen packages is history.

Yup. Game is changing.
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #4968 on: April 05, 2023, 10:20:43 AM »
That it is. I know people doing over $5mm of revenue a year, but they outsource it. They’ll probably continue.

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #4969 on: April 05, 2023, 10:23:46 AM »
but they outsource it.
It's buying groups all the way down

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #4970 on: April 05, 2023, 11:12:01 AM »
Know several people making six figures.
I have a hard time believing that.

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #4971 on: April 05, 2023, 11:27:37 AM »
Really? Amex Amazon and Affinity use to be unlimited 5% CB. Chase and Sync still are. Plus there’s ways of getting 8% CB if you don’t mind the risk as well as hundreds of Amazon accounts.

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #4972 on: April 05, 2023, 01:20:41 PM »
THIS ^^^  I made 6 figures last year but won't this year-- at least not from BGs. I don't do BC deals, but I have other avenues available with way less risk and less hassle. The Amazon that use to refund lost or stolen packages is history.
care to share?

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #4973 on: April 05, 2023, 07:38:55 PM »
I have a hard time believing that.

I can confirm as well. many have made well over 6 figures. but as mentioned above the game is changing.

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #4974 on: April 09, 2023, 04:39:06 AM »
I can confirm as well. many have made well over 6 figures. but as mentioned above the game is over.
FTFY

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #4975 on: April 10, 2023, 08:44:05 PM »
FTFY

Definitely not true for all. There are some that will continue to make high six figures if not 7 for foreseeable future.

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #4976 on: April 11, 2023, 12:18:21 AM »
Definitely not true for all. There are some that will continue to make high six figures if not 7 for foreseeable future.

Revenue or profit? And you’re referring to people operating BGs, not people buying for them.
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #4977 on: April 11, 2023, 01:17:03 AM »
Revenue or profit? And you’re referring to people operating BGs, not people buying for them.
Unless he's referring to this:

That it is. I know people doing over $5mm of revenue a year, but they outsource it. They’ll probably continue.

But then:

It's buying groups all the way down


And also people need to be aware that to make 6+ figures in this game, it's a full time job. Even as a buyer.

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« Reply #4978 on: April 11, 2023, 01:35:10 AM »
Revenue or profit? And you’re referring to people operating BGs, not people buying for them.

I played the game a while back and had no problem hitting 7 figures in revenue in less than 2 months, part-time. Times have definitely changed, but a proper operation with a few full time workers can feasibly hit high 6s in profit. It takes a fully committed and well organized operation, though.
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« Reply #4979 on: April 11, 2023, 01:47:23 AM »
I played the game a while back and had no problem hitting 7 figures in revenue in less than 2 months, part-time. Times have definitely changed, but a proper operation with a few full time workers can feasibly hit high 6s in profit. It takes a fully committed and well organized operation, though.
You were running your own BG?

How long ago? Sourcing items at scale via retail arbitrage on a single IP/physical addresses is really hard these days.

Amazon is the only retailer that's somewhat lax (qla) these days, and they're also cracking down