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https://www.dansdeals.com/more/dans-commentary/dark-side-earning-credit-card-points-psa-dont-swipe-others/

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BEFORE SWIPING FOR SOMEONE READ THIS: (first hand story)

https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=36812.msg2062371#msg2062371
https://www.dansdeals.com/more/dans-commentary/dark-side-earning-credit-card-points-psa-dont-swipe-others/#comment-1399884


Dan's warning to DDF:
I hope people realize that any buying group or anyone else that gets merchandise in advance of payment can go south at any time. That's even if you get a check at the time of delivery.
X-posting as I don't want anyone to say that I never put a warning here.

A story that ended up in court - https://iapps.courts.state.ny.us/nyscef/DocumentList?docketId=iRcRHuyZUdOIx69D00a5XQ==&display=all&courtType=Kings%20County%20Supreme%20Court&resultsPageNum=1


I am one of the biggest buyers for buying groups, I have done millions in transactions and have sent to every group there is over the past 3 years. Most buying groups are okay, some scan in slower than others, some pay slower than others - most will lose a few packages over the year. You can research and find which are better for you.

However there is a bigger problem now with Amazon itself.  Amazon in the past has been great with any problems always ready with a refund for lost packages even if it was thousands of dollars. Lately Amazon has clamped down and has tagged these buying groups addresses  in their systems as "freight forwarder" and now no longer will fix any problem you have whatsoever. Doesn't matter what the problem is, even if it shows the package was never delivered, amazon will not help you in any way. Their copy and paste response will always be "this item was sent to a freight forwarder and we're unable to replace or refund the item. We recommend contacting your freight forwarder for more details, as we don't have any more insight or information regarding this matter, For more information about sending items via freight forwarders, please visit our Help Pages: https://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html?nodeId=201117950." As well the amazon drivers either must know this or have been increasingly bad at delivering packages because the numbers of packages missing has gone up astronomically. Previously you would have very few packages missing, now the past 3 months I have had 59 "lost" packages. I now have over $15,000 of loses and some guy in Delaware is probably living the life with all the stuff he stole from me. I will survive, I have made a lot more than $15,000 over the years however just a warning to others here that things are not as they used to be and it really is no longer worth doing buring groups with all the loses piling up

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #5040 on: May 28, 2023, 10:10:43 PM »
Hearing about several people that let someone swipe $$$$$ on their cards under the pretence of buying discounted gift cards that are left holding the bag once again :(
Save your time, I don't answer PM. Post it in the forum and a dedicated DDF'er will get back to you as soon as possible.

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PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #5041 on: May 28, 2023, 11:49:59 PM »
Oy,can you explain the scam in more detail so we can know to stay away?

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #5042 on: May 28, 2023, 11:52:27 PM »
Oy,can you explain the scam in more detail so we can know to stay away?

Yes, don't let anyone use your cards

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #5043 on: May 28, 2023, 11:55:11 PM »
Were they ordering to their own house and then he would pay them?
Or would they send it directly to him hoping for reimbursement etc

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #5044 on: May 29, 2023, 12:11:53 AM »
Were they ordering to their own house and then he would pay them?
Or would they send it directly to him hoping for reimbursement etc
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #5045 on: May 29, 2023, 12:13:37 AM »
Second one stemmed more like a scam

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #5046 on: May 29, 2023, 09:29:01 PM »
Were they ordering to their own house and then he would pay them?
Or would they send it directly to him hoping for reimbursement etc

From the way Dan worded it, itís the latter.
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #5047 on: May 29, 2023, 11:07:13 PM »
I assume Dan is talking about a recent story, where people let someone swipe their cards for that person to use the money as a loan with a very low interest rate. He would pay you back the full amount every month plus 1.5 percent. And he officially used it for investments. The way he did it was he had a fake party planning business where he would swipe your card. From what I heard, it went great for a while until his investments went south, and according to some started gambling. I know people that lost over 150k. Some people are trying to dispute the charges claiming they never authorized the charges (which isn't true, but who's to judge) and some are claiming that they never received the "services" promised by this"party planner".

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #5048 on: May 29, 2023, 11:17:48 PM »
I assume Dan is talking about a recent story, where people let someone swipe their cards for that person to use the money as a loan with a very low interest rate. He would pay you back the full amount every month plus 1.5 percent. And he officially used it for investments. The way he did it was he had a fake party planning business where he would swipe your card. From what I heard, it went great for a while until his investments went south, and according to some started gambling. I know people that lost over 150k. Some people are trying to dispute the charges claiming they never authorized the charges (which isn't true, but who's to judge) and some are claiming that they never received the "services" promised by this"party planner".
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #5049 on: May 29, 2023, 11:33:06 PM »
I assume Dan is talking about a recent story, where people let someone swipe their cards for that person to use the money as a loan with a very low interest rate. He would pay you back the full amount every month plus 1.5 percent. And he officially used it for investments. The way he did it was he had a fake party planning business where he would swipe your card. From what I heard, it went great for a while until his investments went south, and according to some started gambling. I know people that lost over 150k. Some people are trying to dispute the charges claiming they never authorized the charges (which isn't true, but who's to judge) and some are claiming that they never received the "services" promised by this"party planner".
This isn't a gift card though...

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #5050 on: May 29, 2023, 11:41:11 PM »
This isn't a gift card though...

Might be more than one storyÖ
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #5051 on: May 29, 2023, 11:52:03 PM »
This isn't a gift card though...

Sounds like they pretty much gifted him their cards.

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #5052 on: May 30, 2023, 10:13:46 AM »
Sounds like they pretty much gifted him their cards.
LOL, but not funny
Did anyone win their disputes, last time this happened? (Maybe upthread?)

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #5053 on: May 30, 2023, 10:26:50 AM »
LOL, but not funny
Did anyone win their disputes, last time this happened? (Maybe upthread?)

Think they generally lost. And then they sued AmEx (i think?). And then I think they withdrew the lawsuit.
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #5054 on: June 02, 2023, 12:39:43 PM »
Hearing about several people that let someone swipe $$$$$ on their cards under the pretence of buying discounted gift cards that are left holding the bag once again :(
I wonder if this is the subject of the recent fundraising attempts to assist someone whose recent business deals had soured leaving them in significant debt.

My rule, for any buying group, if you are going to, swipe only what you can afford to lose. Swipe for a company that has significant history showing they pay back and will be honest to deal with. So long as they are honest the risk factor is mitigated signficantly as you are dealing with goods obtained that hold actual value. However, as in any business deal, you run risk of someone being dishonest.

It's frustrating as the concept of a BG is good but stories like these make for a bad feeling about it to anyone thinking objectively.

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #5055 on: June 07, 2023, 02:15:39 AM »
Sounds like 2017 all over again where people offer people to swipe there credit cards and offer a crazy return moral of the story if itís to good to be true itís prob good to stay away donít compare those stories to what actual buying groups are

At end of day itís scary how people will just send to anyone careful who you send to in the BG world still to the home names and nit to all pop up shops who open up every week emb/BMFR/BG canít go wrong with these three buying groups

There is no get rich quick so stay safe out there and donít get scammed
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #5056 on: June 08, 2023, 06:39:18 AM »
Anyone know if Amazon shuts down accounts that ship items to Delaware using gift cards?

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #5057 on: June 08, 2023, 08:30:55 AM »
Anyone know if Amazon shuts down accounts that ship items to Delaware using gift cards?
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #5058 on: June 08, 2023, 10:50:57 PM »
Anyone know if Amazon shuts down accounts that ship items to Delaware using gift cards?

they steal the $

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