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BEFORE SWIPING FOR SOMEONE READ THIS: (first hand story)

https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=36812.msg2062371#msg2062371
https://www.dansdeals.com/more/dans-commentary/dark-side-earning-credit-card-points-psa-dont-swipe-others/#comment-1399884


Dan's warning to DDF:
I hope people realize that any buying group or anyone else that gets merchandise in advance of payment can go south at any time. That's even if you get a check at the time of delivery.
X-posting as I don't want anyone to say that I never put a warning here.

A story that ended up in court - https://iapps.courts.state.ny.us/nyscef/DocumentList?docketId=iRcRHuyZUdOIx69D00a5XQ==&display=all&courtType=Kings%20County%20Supreme%20Court&resultsPageNum=1


I am one of the biggest buyers for buying groups, I have done millions in transactions and have sent to every group there is over the past 3 years. Most buying groups are okay, some scan in slower than others, some pay slower than others - most will lose a few packages over the year. You can research and find which are better for you.

However there is a bigger problem now with Amazon itself.  Amazon in the past has been great with any problems always ready with a refund for lost packages even if it was thousands of dollars. Lately Amazon has clamped down and has tagged these buying groups addresses  in their systems as "freight forwarder" and now no longer will fix any problem you have whatsoever. Doesn't matter what the problem is, even if it shows the package was never delivered, amazon will not help you in any way. Their copy and paste response will always be "this item was sent to a freight forwarder and we're unable to replace or refund the item. We recommend contacting your freight forwarder for more details, as we don't have any more insight or information regarding this matter, For more information about sending items via freight forwarders, please visit our Help Pages: https://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html?nodeId=201117950." As well the amazon drivers either must know this or have been increasingly bad at delivering packages because the numbers of packages missing has gone up astronomically. Previously you would have very few packages missing, now the past 3 months I have had 59 "lost" packages. I now have over $15,000 of loses and some guy in Delaware is probably living the life with all the stuff he stole from me. I will survive, I have made a lot more than $15,000 over the years however just a warning to others here that things are not as they used to be and it really is no longer worth doing buring groups with all the loses piling up

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #5460 on: January 24, 2024, 12:57:19 PM »
Unfortunately many people in many industries take advantage of others ignorance. I know personally someone who books many chasanim and young couples hotels and flights in which he buys points/free nights/credits and charges them much more plus extra for status which nobody here pays for. There are many other examples. This clear deal is just another. I don't necessarily know if there is something wrong with this, at the end of the day both people are happy and got a good deal, and it's for sure not in the same category as the cc toeles harabim guy
Is it taking advantage of Ignorance? I spent a half hour on the phone yesterday helping someone book a vacation, he wanted flights, hotels, restaurants. He happens to have a Amex points and wanted a hilton hotel. He had no idea he can transfer etc. I didnt charge him, but if i would i dont think its charging his ignorance, its charging for my service/knowledge.

Like i said earlier, people have a knack for it. If a couple was going to go to a Hyatt for a shabbos and spend $1000 on a suite. And this guy goes on the forums, find someone with a suite upgrade, makes the booking, call Hyatt to upgrade, calls hyatt again to change from a double bed to single bed, lets the guy know he has globilst so he can get free breakfast and late check and only changes the couple $500.. I dont think there is anything wrong. no one is being taken advantage if.....

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #5461 on: January 24, 2024, 01:01:43 PM »
Is it taking advantage of Ignorance? I spent a half hour on the phone yesterday helping someone book a vacation, he wanted flights, hotels, restaurants. He happens to have a Amex points and wanted a hilton hotel. He had no idea he can transfer etc. I didnt charge him, but if i would i dont think its charging his ignorance, its charging for my service/knowledge.

Like i said earlier, people have a knack for it. If a couple was going to go to a Hyatt for a shabbos and spend $1000 on a suite. And this guy goes on the forums, find someone with a suite upgrade, makes the booking, call Hyatt to upgrade, calls hyatt again to change from a double bed to single bed, lets the guy know he has globilst so he can get free breakfast and late check and only changes the couple $500.. I dont think there is anything wrong. no one is being taken advantage if.....
+100 and if you add in all the times people ask for quotes before he makes a single booking his pay is not nearly as high as it seems. Ye the guys making $55 a person on clear. But how many phone calls a day is he fielding with people asking what is clear etc. and they just donít signup.

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #5462 on: January 24, 2024, 01:06:10 PM »
I hang out here and I don't know how to get it for $20

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #5463 on: January 24, 2024, 01:08:13 PM »
I hang out here and I don't know how to get it for $20
https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=125583.0
Or I can offer to do it for you for a small fee ;)

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #5464 on: January 24, 2024, 01:15:23 PM »
Just don't call it תועלת הרבים

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #5465 on: January 24, 2024, 01:21:51 PM »
Just don't call it תועלת הרבים
Doesn't say it on his sign, it says Major discount.

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #5466 on: January 24, 2024, 01:23:26 PM »
I hang out here and I don't know how to get it for $20
Gotta get out of the Just Schmooze board  ;D

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #5467 on: January 24, 2024, 01:29:38 PM »
Where do you think the discount is being sourced from?
DDF? Lol
Absolutely zero problem with this ad.

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #5468 on: January 24, 2024, 04:19:50 PM »
DDF? Lol
Absolutely zero problem with this ad.
It's not me :)
Just guessing

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #5469 on: January 25, 2024, 02:07:18 PM »
Anyone getting paid by PM recently?
Requested payment 2 weeks ago. Opened ticket 3 days ago. No response.

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #5470 on: January 25, 2024, 02:26:31 PM »
Anyone getting paid by PM recently?
Requested payment 2 weeks ago. Opened ticket 3 days ago. No response.
Lately, PM along with other buying groups take about 3 weeks to process payment. Beware!

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #5471 on: January 25, 2024, 03:27:55 PM »
BG paid through the 21st, but they had very little deals recently.

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #5472 on: January 25, 2024, 06:18:35 PM »
Lately, PM along with other buying groups take about 3 weeks to process payment. Beware!
And doing more below cost deals

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #5473 on: January 25, 2024, 07:04:28 PM »

Now that the ink offer is done, someone came up with a new Toeles harabim...
I'm thinking you can take him to beis din since he's upcharging more then a shtus, you can buy it here for $20+/-
I would value it at $75 if I was selling it, for the $75 uber credit that you can sometimes earn for a new membership

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #5474 on: January 25, 2024, 08:02:54 PM »

Now that the ink offer is done, someone came up with a new Toeles harabim...
I'm thinking you can take him to beis din since he's upcharging more then a shtus, you can buy it here for $20+/-
we need a dislike button
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #5475 on: January 28, 2024, 03:46:23 AM »
is there any BG's that operate in Europe? trying to source some items from amazon europe VAT free. Please pm

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #5476 on: January 28, 2024, 10:39:37 AM »
Target is canceling all my orders for the last year after I used them for BFMR orders. Anyone have any luck getting reinstated? Any dpís appreciated. Thanks.

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #5477 on: January 28, 2024, 11:58:27 AM »
Target is canceling all my orders for the last year after I used them for BFMR orders. Anyone have any luck getting reinstated? Any dpís appreciated. Thanks.

yes. send an email apologizing and pledging to mend your ways. worked for me.

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #5478 on: January 28, 2024, 01:25:34 PM »
yes. send an email apologizing and pledging to mend your ways. worked for me.
Thanks. Email to what address?

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #5479 on: January 28, 2024, 04:13:40 PM »
Thanks. Email to what address?

dont recall. try all that you can find