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BEFORE SWIPING FOR SOMEONE READ THIS: (first hand story)

https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=36812.msg2062371#msg2062371
https://www.dansdeals.com/more/dans-commentary/dark-side-earning-credit-card-points-psa-dont-swipe-others/#comment-1399884


Dan's warning to DDF:
I hope people realize that any buying group or anyone else that gets merchandise in advance of payment can go south at any time. That's even if you get a check at the time of delivery.
X-posting as I don't want anyone to say that I never put a warning here.

A story that ended up in court - https://iapps.courts.state.ny.us/nyscef/DocumentList?docketId=iRcRHuyZUdOIx69D00a5XQ==&display=all&courtType=Kings%20County%20Supreme%20Court&resultsPageNum=1


I am one of the biggest buyers for buying groups, I have done millions in transactions and have sent to every group there is over the past 3 years. Most buying groups are okay, some scan in slower than others, some pay slower than others - most will lose a few packages over the year. You can research and find which are better for you.

However there is a bigger problem now with Amazon itself.  Amazon in the past has been great with any problems always ready with a refund for lost packages even if it was thousands of dollars. Lately Amazon has clamped down and has tagged these buying groups addresses  in their systems as "freight forwarder" and now no longer will fix any problem you have whatsoever. Doesn't matter what the problem is, even if it shows the package was never delivered, amazon will not help you in any way. Their copy and paste response will always be "this item was sent to a freight forwarder and we're unable to replace or refund the item. We recommend contacting your freight forwarder for more details, as we don't have any more insight or information regarding this matter, For more information about sending items via freight forwarders, please visit our Help Pages: https://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html?nodeId=201117950." As well the amazon drivers either must know this or have been increasingly bad at delivering packages because the numbers of packages missing has gone up astronomically. Previously you would have very few packages missing, now the past 3 months I have had 59 "lost" packages. I now have over $15,000 of loses and some guy in Delaware is probably living the life with all the stuff he stole from me. I will survive, I have made a lot more than $15,000 over the years however just a warning to others here that things are not as they used to be and it really is no longer worth doing buring groups with all the loses piling up

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #5580 on: May 06, 2024, 11:19:31 PM »
People aren't getting paid on time. I had no idea that is just so disappointing
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #5581 on: May 07, 2024, 01:01:52 AM »
So this was all just a misunderstanding?

Well I guess all is good then.
I hope you’re joking. Was absolutely not a misunderstanding, they’ve delayed payments with multiple different excuses multiple times over the course of months. 

They owe people upwards of $80,000. One of the travel blogs just did an article on them.

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #5582 on: May 07, 2024, 01:20:42 AM »
I was disappointed to learn of payment delays being experienced by some of our buyers

It’s incredible that people patiently waited 6 months to notify him, you’d think they’d let him know sooner.
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #5583 on: May 07, 2024, 04:35:55 AM »
It’s incredible that people patiently waited 6 months to notify him, you’d think they’d let him know sooner.
Sometimes you are just too busy, or it just slips your mind.
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #5584 on: May 07, 2024, 05:03:22 AM »
I hope you’re joking. Was absolutely not a misunderstanding, they’ve delayed payments with multiple different excuses multiple times over the course of months. 

They owe people upwards of $80,000. One of the travel blogs just did an article on them.
That article may have been the impetus for them to start to move on the payments.

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #5585 on: May 07, 2024, 09:58:05 AM »
Apologized, rectified, committed to improve. Not sure what more you were looking for.

This response is exactly why I give up. I agree with CM. If you continue, you deserve what’s coming.

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #5586 on: May 07, 2024, 10:00:00 AM »
I hope some of the previous comments are sarcastic

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #5587 on: May 07, 2024, 10:53:41 AM »
Apologized, rectified, committed to improve. Not sure what more you were looking for.

Honesty?

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I was disappointed to learn of payment delays being experienced by some of our buyers.

He wasn't aware his buyers weren't being paid out? If he wasn't aware, no one should be doing business with an organization run by him. If he was and he's just lying, same answer.

Then turns and deflects blame to an article brought on by complaints, instead of giving any plausible excuse for why the payments were actually delayed. The closest he gets is his "system update," which implies it was purely a tech issue which has been rectified. Speak to buyers who weren't being paid and submitted tickets, called, and emailed to see where their checks were. See if they think it was a tech issue.
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #5588 on: May 07, 2024, 10:55:48 AM »
Honesty?
Where is your compassion/forgiveness?
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #5589 on: May 07, 2024, 10:57:42 AM »
Where is your compassion/forgiveness?

I have plenty of compassion and forgiveness. Money to lend interest free to a buying group, not so much.
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #5590 on: May 07, 2024, 11:06:08 AM »
Honesty?

He wasn't aware his buyers weren't being paid out? If he wasn't aware, no one should be doing business with an organization run by him. If he was and he's just lying, same answer.

Then turns and deflects blame to an article brought on by complaints, instead of giving any plausible excuse for why the payments were actually delayed. The closest he gets is his "system update," which implies it was purely a tech issue which has been rectified. Speak to buyers who weren't being paid and submitted tickets, called, and emailed to see where their checks were. See if they think it was a tech issue.

Well, they should have gotten "his perspective" which he somehow declines to include even here.
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #5591 on: May 07, 2024, 11:32:19 AM »
Everyone's worst fear now was that this was a ponzi deep in the beginning of collapse, that the money isn't there, that current debts wouldn't be paid.
Their rush to pay calmed that particular gear somewhat / they probably needed to act quick and decisive, to prevent a "bank run" and immediate collapse from that article.

Well run /honest is another discussion
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #5592 on: May 07, 2024, 11:34:41 AM »
Everyone's worst fear now was that this was a ponzi deep in the beginning of collapse, that the money isn't there, that current debts wouldn't be paid.
Their rush to pay calmed that particular gear somewhat / they probably needed to act quick and decisive, to prevent a "bank run" and immediate collapse from that article.

Well run /honest is another discussion
Good idea to get involved is a third discussion

Not speaking for anyone else, but a rush to pay after an article doesn't calm any personal ponzi fears I may have had.
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #5593 on: May 07, 2024, 11:44:26 AM »
Apologized, rectified, committed to improve. Not sure what more you were looking for.

How do you commit to improve without acknowledging what went wrong?

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #5594 on: May 07, 2024, 12:13:29 PM »
According to screenshots from the blog buyers who repeatedly requested payment were told to email him directly, which they did, with no acknowledgment or response.

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #5595 on: May 07, 2024, 05:18:53 PM »
As I have mentioned before but for whatever reason most people aren't catching onto .....this guy is ceo of sgm socher as well.....
read for yourself and then decide if this is someone you want to give a non-guaranteed interest free loan to
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #5596 on: May 07, 2024, 05:38:22 PM »
Dear Esteemed MYS Members,

With nearly 8 years of leadership in the buying group sector, our dedication to reliability and trust has remained steadfast. Your trust and confidence in us are paramount, and we are committed to prioritizing your interests and ensuring timely payments, fostering mutual success for all involved.
I was disappointed to learn of payment delays being experienced by some of our buyers. To those affected by these delays, please accept my sincerest apologies.

(Some of you may have seen a recent article published on Facebook that sparked unnecessary stress and panic within our community. It is regrettable that the author of that article didn’t seek my perspective or verify facts before drawing conclusions.)

Immediate action has been taken to rectify the situation. Rest assured, all payments are up to date.

Additionally, I am pleased to announce the implementation of a robust system update to ensure that no buyer will face payment delays exceeding 20 business days in the future.

These measures underscore our ongoing commitment to refining our processes and earning your satisfaction and trust in our buying group. With these enhancements in place and our foundational dedication to honesty and mutual success, I am confident that we will continue to serve you with excellence and uphold our reputation for reliability.

Thank you for your understanding and steadfast support.

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LMAO i cackled at the implication that 20 business days is supposed to be acceptable. They clearly have cash flow issues. Run if you haven't

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #5597 on: May 07, 2024, 06:17:48 PM »
LMAO i cackled at the implication that 20 business days is supposed to be acceptable. They clearly have cash flow issues. Run if you haven't

“Cash flow issues” is something businesses deal with on a regular basis.

This isn’t cash flow issues. There are more appropriate words for this.

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #5598 on: May 07, 2024, 11:04:55 PM »
As the payout times increase longer and longer, it has become clear to me. THEY NEED YOU MORE FOR THE FREE SHORT TERM LOAN YOU ARE GIVING THEM RATHER THAN THE ACTUAL SOURCING OF THE PRODUCTS
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« Reply #5599 on: May 07, 2024, 11:22:39 PM »