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BEFORE SWIPING FOR SOMEONE READ THIS: (first hand story)

https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=36812.msg2062371#msg2062371
https://www.dansdeals.com/more/dans-commentary/dark-side-earning-credit-card-points-psa-dont-swipe-others/#comment-1399884


Dan's warning to DDF:
I hope people realize that any buying group or anyone else that gets merchandise in advance of payment can go south at any time. That's even if you get a check at the time of delivery.
X-posting as I don't want anyone to say that I never put a warning here.

A story that ended up in court - https://iapps.courts.state.ny.us/nyscef/DocumentList?docketId=iRcRHuyZUdOIx69D00a5XQ==&display=all&courtType=Kings%20County%20Supreme%20Court&resultsPageNum=1


I am one of the biggest buyers for buying groups, I have done millions in transactions and have sent to every group there is over the past 3 years. Most buying groups are okay, some scan in slower than others, some pay slower than others - most will lose a few packages over the year. You can research and find which are better for you.

However there is a bigger problem now with Amazon itself.  Amazon in the past has been great with any problems always ready with a refund for lost packages even if it was thousands of dollars. Lately Amazon has clamped down and has tagged these buying groups addresses  in their systems as "freight forwarder" and now no longer will fix any problem you have whatsoever. Doesn't matter what the problem is, even if it shows the package was never delivered, amazon will not help you in any way. Their copy and paste response will always be "this item was sent to a freight forwarder and we're unable to replace or refund the item. We recommend contacting your freight forwarder for more details, as we don't have any more insight or information regarding this matter, For more information about sending items via freight forwarders, please visit our Help Pages: https://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html?nodeId=201117950." As well the amazon drivers either must know this or have been increasingly bad at delivering packages because the numbers of packages missing has gone up astronomically. Previously you would have very few packages missing, now the past 3 months I have had 59 "lost" packages. I now have over $15,000 of loses and some guy in Delaware is probably living the life with all the stuff he stole from me. I will survive, I have made a lot more than $15,000 over the years however just a warning to others here that things are not as they used to be and it really is no longer worth doing buring groups with all the loses piling up

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #640 on: December 09, 2016, 02:56:38 AM »
Based on the last 1000 posts, a whole lot
Now can you explain how A is out tens of thousands when the disputed charge is 3k?
"LESS IS MORE" It is the cumulative effect that kills deals!!! How many times do I have to say this?  >:(

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #641 on: December 09, 2016, 03:00:33 AM »
Now can you explain how A is out tens of thousands when the disputed charge is 3k?
While im not privy to A's financials nor did I ever mention them or a number, A disputed many charges and not just mine. Also on my end PP suspends the entire PP balance when a dispute like this happens.

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #642 on: December 09, 2016, 03:04:04 AM »
So B made tens of thousands in charges not just to you.
"LESS IS MORE" It is the cumulative effect that kills deals!!! How many times do I have to say this?  >:(

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #643 on: December 09, 2016, 03:05:40 AM »
Can we make B's name public?
What's your plan for yud shvat?

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #644 on: December 09, 2016, 03:06:10 AM »
So B made tens of thousands in charges not just to you.
That is my understanding. To A, it was the more the merrier.

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #645 on: December 09, 2016, 08:07:43 AM »
Now that we all agree in some form or another, regardless of how we got to that understanding we can now all put this behind us and go focus on truly controversial topics, after all it is Friday.
I would like to publicly apologize to @JTZ or anyone else that feels I got too personal or insulting. It truly was not meant to be and was all intended in good nature.

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #646 on: December 09, 2016, 09:36:59 AM »
No need for apologizes. Hopefully we all understand each others point of view better instead of looking at it as one of us is right and the other is wrong. In case I forget an early GS to all of you.
"LESS IS MORE" It is the cumulative effect that kills deals!!! How many times do I have to say this?  >:(

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #647 on: December 09, 2016, 09:38:10 AM »
No need for apologizes. Hopefully we all understand each others point of view better instead of looking at it as one of us is right and the other is wrong. In case I forget an early GS to all of you.
You see, that's why we keep you around
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #648 on: December 09, 2016, 09:54:15 AM »
If you don't understand when I make a deal with you I don't give a rats *ss what side deals you make. Any actions I take that affect your side deals I don't give a rats *ss. If don't understand this basic principal you should stop doing deals.
How do you even rationalize that? I'd be scared to a deal with you because if the item we exchange would get stolen you'd come take back what you gave me.

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #649 on: December 09, 2016, 09:59:56 AM »
This thread will die down when Dan moves it to just schmooze.

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #650 on: December 09, 2016, 10:01:16 AM »
How do you even rationalize that? I'd be scared to a deal with you because if the item we exchange would get stolen you'd come take back what you gave me.
You want to cause trouble? Please take it JS as this discussion now has a fork in it.  :P
"LESS IS MORE" It is the cumulative effect that kills deals!!! How many times do I have to say this?  >:(

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #651 on: December 09, 2016, 10:11:53 AM »
You want to cause trouble? Please take it JS as this discussion now has a fork in it. 
I only saw the fork in it after I posted.

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #652 on: December 09, 2016, 11:22:34 AM »
Don't assume. Is this the way it happened?
Reuven gave Shimon his CC to use, Shimon went to Levi and told him let me swipe my card by you and pay me cash for the purcahse,
Moral of the story: don't ever assume you understand the facts of the case based on poorly structured sentences.
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #653 on: December 22, 2016, 02:36:34 AM »
Wow this thread got way off topic.

I was curious what the consensus on selling trade-lines was. I assume a big no-no but still curious.
http://forum.mrmoneymustache.com/share-your-badassity/selling-tradelines-piggybacking-$600hr-20-40kyr-side-gig/

Doesn't seem to be much in this forum on it:
http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=50632.msg1096571#msg1096571
http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=96.msg1442491#msg1442491
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How to Make the Most out of Buying Groups?
« Reply #654 on: February 08, 2018, 07:48:18 AM »
Are there any existing threads that cover this subject? I attempted to find a thread, but to no avail. TIA!

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Re: How to Make the Most out of Buying Groups?
« Reply #655 on: February 08, 2018, 08:04:48 AM »
Are there any existing threads that cover this subject? I attempted to find a thread, but to no avail. TIA!
Not so sure what the question is, although we did have one that turned to this get deleted :)
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Re: How to Make the Most out of Buying Groups?
« Reply #656 on: February 08, 2018, 08:05:17 AM »
Are there any existing threads that cover this subject? I attempted to find a thread, but to no avail. TIA!
http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=36812.0
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Re: How to Make the Most out of Buying Groups?
« Reply #657 on: February 08, 2018, 08:23:38 AM »
These threads typically get deleted. Not sure what rule they violate. but don’t forget that forums are still accessible by everyone on the internet so probably best to keep these conversations to those restricted chats Imho

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Re: How to Make the Most out of Buying Groups?
« Reply #658 on: February 09, 2018, 09:56:05 AM »
Not so sure what the question is, although we did have one that turned to this get deleted :)

I'm not understanding what you're saying. Who or what is "one"? Any what is "this"? I'm honestly trying to decipher what you said. Thanks.

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Re: How to Make the Most out of Buying Groups?
« Reply #659 on: February 09, 2018, 09:56:36 AM »
I'm not understanding what you're saying. Who or what is "one"? Any what is "this"? I'm honestly trying to decipher what you said. Thanks.
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