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https://www.dansdeals.com/more/dans-commentary/dark-side-earning-credit-card-points-psa-dont-swipe-others/

https://www.mixcloud.com/zev-brenner/talkline-with-zev-brenner-on-credit-card-scams-affecting-the-orthodox-jewish-community/

http://podcast.headlinesbook.com/e/31616-credit-card-miles-and-points-swiping-for-rewards-buying-and-selling-miles-is-it-assur-and-a-chillul-hashem-or-a-great-way-for-a-side-parnassah/



BEFORE SWIPING FOR SOMEONE READ THIS: (first hand story)

https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=36812.msg2062371#msg2062371
https://www.dansdeals.com/more/dans-commentary/dark-side-earning-credit-card-points-psa-dont-swipe-others/#comment-1399884


Dan's warning to DDF:
I hope people realize that any buying group or anyone else that gets merchandise in advance of payment can go south at any time. That's even if you get a check at the time of delivery.
X-posting as I don't want anyone to say that I never put a warning here.

A story that ended up in court - https://iapps.courts.state.ny.us/nyscef/DocumentList?docketId=iRcRHuyZUdOIx69D00a5XQ==&display=all&courtType=Kings%20County%20Supreme%20Court&resultsPageNum=1


I am one of the biggest buyers for buying groups, I have done millions in transactions and have sent to every group there is over the past 3 years. Most buying groups are okay, some scan in slower than others, some pay slower than others - most will lose a few packages over the year. You can research and find which are better for you.

However there is a bigger problem now with Amazon itself.  Amazon in the past has been great with any problems always ready with a refund for lost packages even if it was thousands of dollars. Lately Amazon has clamped down and has tagged these buying groups addresses  in their systems as "freight forwarder" and now no longer will fix any problem you have whatsoever. Doesn't matter what the problem is, even if it shows the package was never delivered, amazon will not help you in any way. Their copy and paste response will always be "this item was sent to a freight forwarder and we're unable to replace or refund the item. We recommend contacting your freight forwarder for more details, as we don't have any more insight or information regarding this matter, For more information about sending items via freight forwarders, please visit our Help Pages: https://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html?nodeId=201117950." As well the amazon drivers either must know this or have been increasingly bad at delivering packages because the numbers of packages missing has gone up astronomically. Previously you would have very few packages missing, now the past 3 months I have had 59 "lost" packages. I now have over $15,000 of loses and some guy in Delaware is probably living the life with all the stuff he stole from me. I will survive, I have made a lot more than $15,000 over the years however just a warning to others here that things are not as they used to be and it really is no longer worth doing buring groups with all the loses piling up

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Re: How to Make the Most out of Buying Groups?
« Reply #660 on: February 09, 2018, 09:57:22 AM »
These threads typically get deleted. Not sure what rule they violate. but don’t forget that forums are still accessible by everyone on the internet so probably best to keep these conversations to those restricted chats Imho

Really? That's interesting.

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #662 on: February 11, 2018, 03:37:37 PM »
Fwd: BEWARE; if you're selling miles or points, stay away from a guy named Shlomo or Alex Kay. His company name changes but he's been using the same phone number (below). He just scammed us out of a ton of money. Here's his contact information: ShlomoSmiles@gmail.com, shlomosmiles@icloud.com, Sashakoro@gmail.com home/ office 718-380-2574,
Mobile +1-646-675-2627 This isn't a repost. Happened to us personally.
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #663 on: February 11, 2018, 03:42:38 PM »

there are enough people out there that are well known as honest buyers there is pretty much no need to use a guy based on a ad
May you slide down the banister of happiness & get many splinters of success up your career.

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #664 on: February 11, 2018, 04:05:25 PM »
there are enough people out there that are well known as honest buyers there is pretty much no need to use a guy based on a ad
Most casual readers of DDF don’t know any better and will call up random brokers and go with the highest quoted price...

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #665 on: February 11, 2018, 04:13:07 PM »
Most casual readers of DDF don’t know any better and will call up random brokers and go with the highest quoted price...
+100
The risk is real, I think this should be a PSA stickied under this one.
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #666 on: February 12, 2018, 01:34:05 AM »
+100
The risk is real, I think this should be a PSA stickied under this one.
http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=36832.0

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #668 on: February 12, 2018, 07:35:41 AM »
I wouldn't call this a dedicated thread for that.
It's not just not a "dedicated" thread for it, it does the include it at all
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #669 on: February 12, 2018, 08:30:44 AM »


This broker has paid me thousands of dollars without issue so when my BIL asked about him I said he's good. He then scammed him out of 10k+

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #670 on: February 12, 2018, 08:33:09 AM »
This broker has paid me thousands of dollars without issue so when my BIL asked about him I said he's good. He then scammed him out of 10k+
There is a limit how much precaution one can take, I believe for this it ends at getting references, can someone reliable go dirty  yes, can we prevent this, no.
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #671 on: February 12, 2018, 09:05:34 AM »
Is there no recourse? We just let this guy steal money from people? Can't take him to beis din? Or speak to a Rav about reporting him to the authorities (if it's mutar)
Life isn't about checking the boxes. Nobody cares.

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #672 on: February 12, 2018, 09:32:58 AM »
It's not just not a "dedicated" thread for it, it does the include it at all
True but it's a deserves it's own thread. Allowing other people to charge you card is one thing. Mileage brokers is another.

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #673 on: February 12, 2018, 09:51:07 AM »
This broker has paid me thousands of dollars without issue so when my BIL asked about him I said he's good. He then scammed him out of 10k+
how exactly?

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #674 on: February 12, 2018, 09:58:37 AM »
i actually used the guy no problem a few times with no problem at all.  i guess never again
#TYH

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #675 on: February 12, 2018, 11:07:47 AM »
i actually used the guy no problem a few times with no problem at all.  i guess never again

$ upfront

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #676 on: February 12, 2018, 11:32:47 AM »
i actually used the guy no problem a few times with no problem at all.  i guess never again
That's part of the business scam model.

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #677 on: February 12, 2018, 11:34:07 AM »
That's part of the business scam model.
lol
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #678 on: February 12, 2018, 12:30:05 PM »
Is there no recourse? We just let this guy steal money from people? Can't take him to beis din? Or speak to a Rav about reporting him to the authorities (if it's mutar)

He used the miles for himself and purchased a ticket in his name for a flight flown on Shabbos! rav beis din, na


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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #679 on: February 12, 2018, 02:45:43 PM »
He used the miles for himself and purchased a ticket in his name for a flight flown on Shabbos! rav beis din, na

Did he fly or just use it to turn into credit?