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BEFORE SWIPING FOR SOMEONE READ THIS: (first hand story)

https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=36812.msg2062371#msg2062371
https://www.dansdeals.com/more/dans-commentary/dark-side-earning-credit-card-points-psa-dont-swipe-others/#comment-1399884


Dan's warning to DDF:
Quote from: Dan on February 10, 2019, 10:47:31 PM
I hope people realize that any buying group or anyone else that gets merchandise in advance of payment can go south at any time. That's even if you get a check at the time of delivery.
Quote from: Dan on February 10, 2019, 10:51:55 PM
X-posting as I don't want anyone to say that I never put a warning here.

A story that ended up in court - https://iapps.courts.state.ny.us/nyscef/DocumentList?docketId=iRcRHuyZUdOIx69D00a5XQ==&display=all&courtType=Kings%20County%20Supreme%20Court&resultsPageNum=1


Quote from: halperng on July 24, 2023, 06:00:12 PM
I am one of the biggest buyers for buying groups, I have done millions in transactions and have sent to every group there is over the past 3 years. Most buying groups are okay, some scan in slower than others, some pay slower than others - most will lose a few packages over the year. You can research and find which are better for you.

However there is a bigger problem now with Amazon itself.  Amazon in the past has been great with any problems always ready with a refund for lost packages even if it was thousands of dollars. Lately Amazon has clamped down and has tagged these buying groups addresses  in their systems as "freight forwarder" and now no longer will fix any problem you have whatsoever. Doesn't matter what the problem is, even if it shows the package was never delivered, amazon will not help you in any way. Their copy and paste response will always be "this item was sent to a freight forwarder and we're unable to replace or refund the item. We recommend contacting your freight forwarder for more details, as we don't have any more insight or information regarding this matter, For more information about sending items via freight forwarders, please visit our Help Pages: https://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html?nodeId=201117950." As well the amazon drivers either must know this or have been increasingly bad at delivering packages because the numbers of packages missing has gone up astronomically. Previously you would have very few packages missing, now the past 3 months I have had 59 "lost" packages. I now have over $15,000 of loses and some guy in Delaware is probably living the life with all the stuff he stole from me. I will survive, I have made a lot more than $15,000 over the years however just a warning to others here that things are not as they used to be and it really is no longer worth doing buring groups with all the loses piling up

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #780 on: May 04, 2018, 07:11:32 AM »
Quote from: mrprez27 on May 04, 2018, 12:29:26 AM
A. Are you sure

B. who cares? because why just smile and make our $10 commission when there is possibly a whole other business front.
If you are unsure about the legality of purchasing 5 MacBooks, I don't think exporting tens of thousands of items for resale is the business for you.
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #781 on: May 04, 2018, 07:51:00 AM »
Quote from: Yehuda57 on May 04, 2018, 07:11:32 AM
If you are unsure about the legality of purchasing 5 MacBooks, I don't think exporting tens of thousands of items for resale is the business for you.
+1 why don't you explore the industry before deciding to own it.
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #782 on: May 04, 2018, 08:15:35 AM »
Quote from: yitrap on May 04, 2018, 07:51:00 AM
+1 why don't you explore the industry before deciding to own it.
Isn't that exactly what he's trying to do here?
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #783 on: May 04, 2018, 08:16:26 AM »
Quote from: Iz on May 04, 2018, 08:15:35 AM
Isn't that exactly what he's trying to do here?
This isn't a buying group.
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #784 on: May 04, 2018, 08:23:08 AM »
Quote from: mrprez27 on May 04, 2018, 12:29:26 AM
A. Are you sure


You are asking an anonymous person on the internet if its illegal in any way and then you ask if they are sure?

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #785 on: May 04, 2018, 08:34:04 AM »
Quote from: mrprez27 on May 04, 2018, 12:29:26 AM
A. Are you sure
What part do feel is illegal?
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #786 on: May 04, 2018, 10:45:12 AM »
Quote from: 12HRS on May 04, 2018, 08:23:08 AM
You are asking an anonymous person on the internet if its illegal in any way and then you ask if they are sure?
Sorry I meant to say "how did you come to that conclusion - please provide sources"
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #787 on: May 04, 2018, 10:45:32 AM »
Quote from: Iz on May 04, 2018, 08:15:35 AM
Isn't that exactly what he's trying to do here?
Yes - trying to just research and get info
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #788 on: May 04, 2018, 10:47:32 AM »
Quote from: Yehuda57 on May 04, 2018, 07:11:32 AM
If you are unsure about the legality of purchasing 5 MacBooks, I don't think exporting tens of thousands of items for resale is the business for you.
That's why I'm on this group -- the people seem to be using reseller tax licenses - so besides breaking store policies I presume everything is done Kosher....if so its something to explore..maybe there is a more legitimate way to get bulk cheap brand electronics to 'export' to these magical overseas buyers.

If no one has any information that's fine but I'm just here to try to gain some insight.
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #789 on: May 04, 2018, 10:53:21 AM »
Quote from: ChaimMoskowitz on May 04, 2018, 08:34:04 AM
What does part feel is illegal?

It just feels Fishy....I'm trying to figure that out for myself...on one hand it seems ok to me (everyone gets paid, you then the CC and obviously the store)  and on the other hand,  something seems off.

I know G-d fearing people that won't give out their wifi password because they read in the terms and conditions it's not allowed.

In relation to breaking best buy policy that's something that I feel has to be internalized if I think it's Ethical and also ask a Rav.

Though I can't even really verify if it is really against best buy policy.....honestly, I'm just trying to gather as much information so I can make a personal decision if this is ok
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #790 on: May 04, 2018, 10:56:53 AM »
Quote from: mrprez27 on May 04, 2018, 10:53:21 AM
It just feels Fishy....I'm trying to figure that out for myself...on one hand it seems ok to me (everyone gets paid, you then the CC and obviously the store)  and on the other hand,  something seems off.

I know G-d fearing people that won't give out their wifi password because they read in the terms and conditions it's not allowed.

In relation to breaking best buy policy that's something that I feel has to be internalized if I think it's Ethical and also ask a Rav.

Though I can't even really verify if it is really against best buy policy.....honestly, I'm just trying to gather as much information so I can make a personal decision if this is ok
There is nothing illegal about reselling.
Are some not reporting their taxable profits, yes. Is that illegal, yes.
If members felt breaking companies policies was wrong and didn't do it then this forum would be dead!  :)
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #791 on: May 04, 2018, 11:09:57 AM »
Quote from: mrprez27 on May 04, 2018, 10:53:21 AM
It just feels Fishy....I'm trying to figure that out for myself...on one hand it seems ok to me (everyone gets paid, you then the CC and obviously the store)  and on the other hand,  something seems off.

I know G-d fearing people that won't give out their wifi password because they read in the terms and conditions it's not allowed.

In relation to breaking best buy policy that's something that I feel has to be internalized if I think it's Ethical and also ask a Rav.

Though I can't even really verify if it is really against best buy policy.....honestly, I'm just trying to gather as much information so I can make a personal decision if this is ok
Piece of info for you...

When you apply for a tax exempt certificate from Bestbuy one of the options there is "reseller".
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #792 on: May 04, 2018, 12:57:12 PM »
Seems like people are forgetting very quickly the Google Nexus fiasco.
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #793 on: May 04, 2018, 01:52:35 PM »
Quote from: mrprez27 on May 04, 2018, 10:47:32 AM
maybe there is a more legitimate way to get bulk cheap brand electronics to 'export' to these magical overseas buyers.
Lol, you don't know the first thing about how this business works and already you think you might be able to come up with a better way to run it?
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #794 on: May 04, 2018, 01:52:52 PM »
Quote from: sruly on May 04, 2018, 12:57:12 PM
Seems like people are forgetting very quickly the Google Nexus fiasco.
That was a whole different ball game.
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #795 on: May 04, 2018, 01:54:10 PM »
Quote from: sruly on May 04, 2018, 12:57:12 PM
Seems like people are forgetting very quickly the Google Nexus fiasco.

...because ebay and best buy control my email/contacts/calendar/life/soul?

...no.
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #796 on: May 04, 2018, 01:58:22 PM »
Quote from: mmgfarb on May 04, 2018, 01:52:35 PM
Lol, you don't know the first thing about how this business works and already you think you might be able to come up with a better way to run it?
That is sometimes the best way to come up with it.
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #797 on: May 04, 2018, 01:59:01 PM »
Quote from: aygart on May 04, 2018, 01:58:22 PM
That is sometimes the best way to come up with it.
Nu Nu.
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #798 on: May 04, 2018, 02:05:19 PM »
Quote from: aygart on May 04, 2018, 01:58:22 PM
That is sometimes the best way to come up with it.
You mean like trailers that get misplaced in Chicago all the time?  :)
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #799 on: May 04, 2018, 02:06:02 PM »
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You mean like trailers that get misplaced in Chicago all the time?  :)
I don't get the reference.
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