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BEFORE SWIPING FOR SOMEONE READ THIS: (first hand story)

https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=36812.msg2062371#msg2062371
https://www.dansdeals.com/more/dans-commentary/dark-side-earning-credit-card-points-psa-dont-swipe-others/#comment-1399884


Dan's warning to DDF:
I hope people realize that any buying group or anyone else that gets merchandise in advance of payment can go south at any time. That's even if you get a check at the time of delivery.
X-posting as I don't want anyone to say that I never put a warning here.

A story that ended up in court - https://iapps.courts.state.ny.us/nyscef/DocumentList?docketId=iRcRHuyZUdOIx69D00a5XQ==&display=all&courtType=Kings%20County%20Supreme%20Court&resultsPageNum=1


I am one of the biggest buyers for buying groups, I have done millions in transactions and have sent to every group there is over the past 3 years. Most buying groups are okay, some scan in slower than others, some pay slower than others - most will lose a few packages over the year. You can research and find which are better for you.

However there is a bigger problem now with Amazon itself.  Amazon in the past has been great with any problems always ready with a refund for lost packages even if it was thousands of dollars. Lately Amazon has clamped down and has tagged these buying groups addresses  in their systems as "freight forwarder" and now no longer will fix any problem you have whatsoever. Doesn't matter what the problem is, even if it shows the package was never delivered, amazon will not help you in any way. Their copy and paste response will always be "this item was sent to a freight forwarder and we're unable to replace or refund the item. We recommend contacting your freight forwarder for more details, as we don't have any more insight or information regarding this matter, For more information about sending items via freight forwarders, please visit our Help Pages: https://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html?nodeId=201117950." As well the amazon drivers either must know this or have been increasingly bad at delivering packages because the numbers of packages missing has gone up astronomically. Previously you would have very few packages missing, now the past 3 months I have had 59 "lost" packages. I now have over $15,000 of loses and some guy in Delaware is probably living the life with all the stuff he stole from me. I will survive, I have made a lot more than $15,000 over the years however just a warning to others here that things are not as they used to be and it really is no longer worth doing buring groups with all the loses piling up

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #820 on: May 04, 2018, 03:48:35 PM »
Are you serious??? Maybe if someone was willing to share some info....
I'm dead serious, you think the people in this business just woke up one day with all the contacts and know how needed to do what they do? If someone's really interested in starting a business like this, go work for one the big guys for a couple years and learn the ropes.
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #821 on: May 04, 2018, 03:49:28 PM »


..... go work for one the big guys for a couple years and learn the ropes.

Agreed.
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #822 on: May 04, 2018, 03:49:49 PM »
I'm dead serious, you think the people in this business just woke up one day with all the contacts and know how needed to do what they do? If someone's really interested in starting a business like this, go work for one the big guys for a couple years and learn the ropes.
Exactly my point
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #823 on: May 04, 2018, 03:57:34 PM »
Dude. Really? These people gave you a way to earn bucketloads of points, and commissions to boot, for what can be a relatively great return on your time (everyone's time is worth different amounts [financially], and you need to decide that for yourself). They spoonfeed you everything, including the actual deals to buy. So, therefore, it's the opportune time to make all the money they made through building their respective businesses, because "why smile and make our $10 commission"?

If you have that attitude, then you can question anything profitable you've ever undertaken, and apply it. Like, "Why earn points from a bank by swiping credit cards when I can just invent PayPal and charge people instead?"  Or, "Why buy electronics from a wholesaler when I can just manufacture it myself?"
Now, this is not necessarily a terrible attitude in life, if you choose one specific industry, as people do it, and sometimes become very rich and successful in the process. But it's not a legitimate question to ask yourself before deciding if you should join a spending group, or any other profitable venture. The profit, no matter how fat, that someone else earns through leveraging your time and effort shouldn't be in the equation of whether it's worth your time. The only thing that matters, in a market transaction, is what YOU will earn, and whether it's worth it for YOU.

"I am not at all jealous of the 'big man in the tower' who MUST be making more because I only get $10.....   "    that is not what I am thinking.

The people who make change are people who like to learn and see if they can do it better....its good to ask questions.

And my original question was trying to hone in on two points...

1. Is there is any risk of doing this (I am fine with just being a part of the group and trying to spend to reach some point goals I have set?

But also 2. I am a very curious individual (and it has helped me immensely in life) so when something is so secret I like to try to get a better understanding. 

I don't have any 'attitude' or at least hope I don't ;)

Everyone else is just minding their business willing to buy the deals and i'm asking the key questions....a) is this legit and b) how is it done.........not so I can copy it but because of its kind of rare nowadays for people to be running massive business operations shrouded in secrecy.

'exporting to countries' what does that even mean? Why are people so private about it?




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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #824 on: May 04, 2018, 04:01:45 PM »
I'm dead serious, you think the people in this business just woke up one day with all the contacts and know-how needed to do what they do? If someone's really interested in starting a business like this, go work for one the big guys for a couple years and learn the ropes.

Are you joking!!! I agree with you!!! I am just trying to get an INKLING of what the business is.....if I want to sell mortgages I'll go intern at EU if I want to go into Amazons  ill work for one  of the guys in Brooklyn who runs a big Amazon operation...yes

Though at least its public how the business runs.

I am not expecting and honestly, none of you are giving a Rolodex of contacts through at LEAST shed some light on how it works? Who are these people selling to.....also none of these guys are bringing on more partners.


I know its easy for people who are not go-getters to just sit back and reply to everything "do it your self" "no one will spoon feed you".

No offense but these are usually the people who don't even have the info to give.



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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #825 on: May 04, 2018, 04:04:16 PM »
Those people started off selling points, then transitioned to the next step. Here, one of OPs original 2 questions before deciding whether he should even join was whether it's not worth it to do as others are getting a bigger slice of the pie. And I don't think that's a smart way to approach business and life. Get in first, then make it better. Don't let others' successes get in the way of your own.

Feel free to differ.

My original primary Q was if this is Kosher.

Your point about not joining just on the basis of someone else is making more I may have implied - that was an accident.  Your point is very true.

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #826 on: May 04, 2018, 04:06:03 PM »
Don't mean to be harsh. Sorry if that's how I came across. Just a bit of life advice. Use it if you will, discard it if you dare.

No Worries :) I like candid speech!

 I agree with some of your points but I feel they were written on an incorrect assumption of what I was trying to articulate.

I replied somewhere on this thread.


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« Reply #827 on: May 04, 2018, 04:10:27 PM »
No Worries :) I like candid speech!

 I agree with some of your points but I feel they were written on an incorrect assumption of what I was trying to articulate.

I replied somewhere on this thread.
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #828 on: May 04, 2018, 04:35:26 PM »
I am not expecting and honestly, none of you are giving a Rolodex of contacts through at LEAST shed some light on how it works? Who are these people selling to.....also none of these guys are bringing on more partners.

Been answered for you already, only thing you can still ask for is a rolodex now.
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #829 on: May 04, 2018, 04:47:25 PM »
Quick question: can I safely order more than one of each item from guest Checkout in separate orders? If so, what should I not do to get banned?

I don't mean it in an obnoxious way, I am genuinely interested in knowing. PMs would be appreciated if not for the public.
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #830 on: May 04, 2018, 04:56:13 PM »
Quick question: can I safely order more than one of each item from guest Checkout in separate orders? If so, what should I not do to get banned?

I don't mean it in an obnoxious way, I am genuinely interested in knowing. PMs would be appreciated if not for the public.
Are you asking about eBay? You might get it through, but prepare to be banned.

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #831 on: May 04, 2018, 05:01:28 PM »
Quick question: can I safely order more than one of each item from guest Checkout in separate orders? If so, what should I not do to get banned?

I don't mean it in an obnoxious way, I am genuinely interested in knowing. PMs would be appreciated if not for the public.
You'll probably be banned regardless but the amount of money I've made so far today makes it worth it.
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #832 on: May 04, 2018, 05:02:08 PM »
Are you asking about eBay? You might get it through, but prepare to be banned.
Ah. Anyway to reduce likelihood? Send it to different addresses? Different IP address, CC?

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« Reply #833 on: May 04, 2018, 05:02:40 PM »
Ah. Anyway to reduce likelihood? Send it to different addresses? Different IP address, CC?
IDK. IMO it's not worth it to play around with them.

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #834 on: May 04, 2018, 05:04:20 PM »
IDK. IMO it's not worth it to play around with them.
Or get banned, and kill it with guest checkout
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #835 on: May 04, 2018, 05:09:12 PM »
Or get banned, and kill it with guest checkout
With eBay, guest Checkout still works if you are banned?

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« Reply #836 on: May 04, 2018, 05:09:43 PM »
With eBay, guest Checkout still works if you are banned?
You bet.
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« Reply #837 on: May 04, 2018, 05:10:19 PM »
You bet.
Wow. Didn't know that. Same everything? Or you switch up everything each time?

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« Reply #838 on: May 04, 2018, 05:11:11 PM »
Wow. Didn't know that. Same everything? Or you switch up everything each time?
Add a + to the email. That's it.
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« Reply #839 on: May 04, 2018, 05:14:04 PM »
Add a + to the email. That's it.
How do you pay? Regular PP account?