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BEFORE SWIPING FOR SOMEONE READ THIS: (first hand story)

https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=36812.msg2062371#msg2062371
https://www.dansdeals.com/more/dans-commentary/dark-side-earning-credit-card-points-psa-dont-swipe-others/#comment-1399884


Dan's warning to DDF:
I hope people realize that any buying group or anyone else that gets merchandise in advance of payment can go south at any time. That's even if you get a check at the time of delivery.
X-posting as I don't want anyone to say that I never put a warning here.

A story that ended up in court - https://iapps.courts.state.ny.us/nyscef/DocumentList?docketId=iRcRHuyZUdOIx69D00a5XQ==&display=all&courtType=Kings%20County%20Supreme%20Court&resultsPageNum=1


I am one of the biggest buyers for buying groups, I have done millions in transactions and have sent to every group there is over the past 3 years. Most buying groups are okay, some scan in slower than others, some pay slower than others - most will lose a few packages over the year. You can research and find which are better for you.

However there is a bigger problem now with Amazon itself.  Amazon in the past has been great with any problems always ready with a refund for lost packages even if it was thousands of dollars. Lately Amazon has clamped down and has tagged these buying groups addresses  in their systems as "freight forwarder" and now no longer will fix any problem you have whatsoever. Doesn't matter what the problem is, even if it shows the package was never delivered, amazon will not help you in any way. Their copy and paste response will always be "this item was sent to a freight forwarder and we're unable to replace or refund the item. We recommend contacting your freight forwarder for more details, as we don't have any more insight or information regarding this matter, For more information about sending items via freight forwarders, please visit our Help Pages: https://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html?nodeId=201117950." As well the amazon drivers either must know this or have been increasingly bad at delivering packages because the numbers of packages missing has gone up astronomically. Previously you would have very few packages missing, now the past 3 months I have had 59 "lost" packages. I now have over $15,000 of loses and some guy in Delaware is probably living the life with all the stuff he stole from me. I will survive, I have made a lot more than $15,000 over the years however just a warning to others here that things are not as they used to be and it really is no longer worth doing buring groups with all the loses piling up

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #840 on: May 04, 2018, 05:14:19 PM »
How do you pay? Regular PP account?
Or CC
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #841 on: May 04, 2018, 05:21:06 PM »
Wow. Thanks! I won't have time for this time, but for next time...

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #842 on: May 04, 2018, 05:23:10 PM »
Wow. Thanks!
+2 (That's all I'm willing to risk this time  ;) )

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #843 on: May 04, 2018, 05:35:30 PM »
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #844 on: May 04, 2018, 05:46:23 PM »
+2 (That's all I'm willing to risk this time  ;) )
Oy, if it's about risk that's a waste. I couldn't do as many as I would have liked because it's erev Shabbos, but risk isn't the issue here
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #845 on: May 04, 2018, 05:47:29 PM »
Oy, if it's about risk that's a waste. I couldn't do as many as I would have liked because it's erev Shabbos, but risk isn't the issue here
I only got one order
The amount of names of errors ebay came up with is amazing
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #846 on: May 04, 2018, 05:48:30 PM »
Excludes gold so not worth my time.
There's a group for that too.

They buy gold coins from eBay.
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #847 on: May 04, 2018, 05:49:58 PM »
If the eBay order got through, then it's ok? No cancellations afterwards?

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« Reply #848 on: May 04, 2018, 05:50:43 PM »
If the eBay order got through, then it's ok? No cancellations afterwards?
Usually not. And often they ship even if they "cancel"
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #849 on: May 04, 2018, 06:02:15 PM »
Been answered for you already, the only thing you can still ask for is a Rolodex now.

I will take a Rolex ;) - I dont just need the contacts but someone to introduce me as well ;)


Someone made a reference about people who broker points and flights (a pretty transparent business model) and then they go on to ship these things abroad. - that is an explanation?

I think before we jump to me asking to be spoonfed maybe "what does abroad mean".

So when someone sells a mac or iPad it gets loaded onto a container ship to be sold to a Chinese mogul?

Would giving a little clarity be asking for the secret sauce?

example - Poeple who buy points book J fares for people at a discount from revenue price and keep the diff....simple clean and understandable.How are connections made, many times through traditional ads and web marketing - I can know all this even though I am not involved in the business...

Buying Groups - all seem to decide on the same type of deals?, and then have Chinese moguls abroad buying truckloads to put in local stores there???? What is the model? Where are they finding people.




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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #850 on: May 04, 2018, 06:03:13 PM »
There's a group for that too.

They buy gold coins from eBay.
There is a buyers group?
I just found a new supply of forks!

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #851 on: May 04, 2018, 06:03:32 PM »
Shabbat Shalom Guys!! I know this isnt in the Good Shabbas Group (please dont delete Mods ;) ;) )

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #852 on: May 04, 2018, 06:14:06 PM »
There is a buyers group?
You buy gold coins from Ebay for them, AKA MS 20k in a run
For more information PM @Dr moose :)
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #853 on: May 04, 2018, 06:15:42 PM »
You buy gold coins from Ebay for them, AKA MS 20k in a run
For more information PM @Dr moose :)
Whats the profit? Why can’t they do it themselves?
I just found a new supply of forks!

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #854 on: May 04, 2018, 06:16:22 PM »
Whats the profit? Why can’t they do it themselves?
most of your points earned.
Ebay has limits.
(also they take a cut ::))
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #855 on: May 04, 2018, 06:18:12 PM »
most of your points earned.
Ebay has limits.
(also they take a cut ::))
Only an idiot would take that deal.
I just found a new supply of forks!

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #856 on: May 04, 2018, 06:20:14 PM »
Only an idiot would take that deal.
I personally don't do it.
But they usually take around 1% many MS methods have such a cost.
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #857 on: May 04, 2018, 06:45:58 PM »
Usually not. And often they ship even if they "cancel"
Thanks! :)

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #858 on: May 06, 2018, 12:12:30 AM »
I will take a Rolex ;) - I dont just need the contacts but someone to introduce me as well ;)


Someone made a reference about people who broker points and flights (a pretty transparent business model) and then they go on to ship these things abroad. - that is an explanation?

I think before we jump to me asking to be spoonfed maybe "what does abroad mean".

So when someone sells a mac or iPad it gets loaded onto a container ship to be sold to a Chinese mogul?

Would giving a little clarity be asking for the secret sauce?

example - Poeple who buy points book J fares for people at a discount from revenue price and keep the diff....simple clean and understandable.How are connections made, many times through traditional ads and web marketing - I can know all this even though I am not involved in the business...

Buying Groups - all seem to decide on the same type of deals?, and then have Chinese moguls abroad buying truckloads to put in local stores there???? What is the model? Where are they finding people.

Why you making this so complicated?
These companies are wholesalers. Online is often better price then buying direct, or gives access to products in large quantities not available elsewhere. If it’s a popular product that’s not available in parts of the world, then someone has to supply it, sometimes at nice markup. And they can sell to distributors, retailers, Amazon, government agencies,  etc.
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #859 on: May 06, 2018, 01:28:43 AM »
Why you making this so complicated?
These companies are wholesalers. Online is often better price then buying direct, or gives access to products in large quantities not available elsewhere. If it’s a popular product that’s not available in parts of the world, then someone has to supply it, sometimes at nice markup. And they can sell to distributors, retailers, Amazon, government agencies,  etc.
It's not complicated. He asked and was answered multiple times. At this point it's just post padding.
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