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BEFORE SWIPING FOR SOMEONE READ THIS: (first hand story)

https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=36812.msg2062371#msg2062371
https://www.dansdeals.com/more/dans-commentary/dark-side-earning-credit-card-points-psa-dont-swipe-others/#comment-1399884


Dan's warning to DDF:
I hope people realize that any buying group or anyone else that gets merchandise in advance of payment can go south at any time. That's even if you get a check at the time of delivery.
X-posting as I don't want anyone to say that I never put a warning here.

A story that ended up in court - https://iapps.courts.state.ny.us/nyscef/DocumentList?docketId=iRcRHuyZUdOIx69D00a5XQ==&display=all&courtType=Kings%20County%20Supreme%20Court&resultsPageNum=1


I am one of the biggest buyers for buying groups, I have done millions in transactions and have sent to every group there is over the past 3 years. Most buying groups are okay, some scan in slower than others, some pay slower than others - most will lose a few packages over the year. You can research and find which are better for you.

However there is a bigger problem now with Amazon itself.  Amazon in the past has been great with any problems always ready with a refund for lost packages even if it was thousands of dollars. Lately Amazon has clamped down and has tagged these buying groups addresses  in their systems as "freight forwarder" and now no longer will fix any problem you have whatsoever. Doesn't matter what the problem is, even if it shows the package was never delivered, amazon will not help you in any way. Their copy and paste response will always be "this item was sent to a freight forwarder and we're unable to replace or refund the item. We recommend contacting your freight forwarder for more details, as we don't have any more insight or information regarding this matter, For more information about sending items via freight forwarders, please visit our Help Pages: https://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html?nodeId=201117950." As well the amazon drivers either must know this or have been increasingly bad at delivering packages because the numbers of packages missing has gone up astronomically. Previously you would have very few packages missing, now the past 3 months I have had 59 "lost" packages. I now have over $15,000 of loses and some guy in Delaware is probably living the life with all the stuff he stole from me. I will survive, I have made a lot more than $15,000 over the years however just a warning to others here that things are not as they used to be and it really is no longer worth doing buring groups with all the loses piling up

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #1100 on: June 17, 2018, 05:19:05 PM »
How can i  learn the basics about what these buying groups are all about? MYS doesn't give you any info without signing up.
What do you want to know? It's pretty simple.

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #1101 on: June 17, 2018, 08:44:35 PM »
How can i  learn the basics about what these buying groups are all about? MYS doesn't give you any info without signing up.
Here You go.. watch this video.

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #1102 on: June 17, 2018, 08:52:38 PM »
What's the average margin people make on these groups after counting all credit card points, commission, cashback, etc. Is 10% realistic? too little?

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« Reply #1103 on: June 17, 2018, 08:54:23 PM »
Too much
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #1104 on: June 17, 2018, 10:17:53 PM »
What's the avg time to get banned from bb?

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What's the avg time to get banned from bb?
1 order if you play it wrong, a lot longer if you play it right
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« Reply #1106 on: June 17, 2018, 10:33:56 PM »
1 order if you play it wrong, a lot longer if you play it right
I'm having a hard time with them recently. Used to get through 3-5 orders a day. Now I'm lucky if I can have one good day in a few months....So far, all the advice I got didn't help.... :(

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I'm having a hard time with them recently. Used to get through 3-5 orders a day. Now I'm lucky if I can have one good day in a few months....So far, all the advice I got didn't help.... :(
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #1108 on: June 17, 2018, 10:48:18 PM »
1 order if you play it wrong, a lot longer if you play it right
Due they ban you for reselling?
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Due they ban you for reselling?
Well thats what they are banning for, either that or going over limits. Regardless they do over TE cards for resellers.
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« Reply #1110 on: June 17, 2018, 10:52:34 PM »
Well thats what they are banning for, either that or going over limits. Regardless they do over TE cards for resellers.
So you get banned for reselling and are using another companies resale certificate?
I just found a new supply of forks!

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« Reply #1111 on: June 17, 2018, 10:53:27 PM »
So you get banned for reselling and are using another companies resale certificate?
Uh, no. You get banned for reselling regardless of what you use, I use my own yet still have cards banned.
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #1112 on: June 17, 2018, 10:59:51 PM »
The only thing they ban IME is CCs
Got new CCs. New "name", "address", "telephone", +1 Gmail, with brand new account or without an account, incognito, still no go.... There must be something else. Not IP address, since I tried it from the other side of the US....

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« Reply #1113 on: June 17, 2018, 11:00:13 PM »
Uh, no. You get banned for reselling regardless of what you use, I use my own yet still have cards banned.
I am glad you have your own certificate. I hate to see you when I visit Bubba.
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There must be something else. Not IP address, since I tried it from the other side of the US....
What VPN are you using? Many VPN IP's are banned.
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Got new CCs. New "name", "address", "telephone", +1 Gmail, with brand new account or without an account, incognito, still no go.... There must be something else. Not IP address, since I tried it from the other side of the US....
You have to build new accounts with small/easy items, the PS4s now seem to be just that.
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« Reply #1116 on: June 17, 2018, 11:10:32 PM »
What VPN are you using? Many VPN IP's are banned.
I was actually there for business ;)...

You have to build new accounts with small/easy items, the PS4s now seem to be just that.
Thanks! That's probably what it is. Can't think of anything else. Should I try more than one at a time, or not worth it?

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I was actually there for business ;)...
Thanks! That's probably what it is. Can't think of anything else. Should I try more than one at a time, or not worth it?
Always start slow, always! Besides the limit is one, I have 1 account I just revived with that (didn't work for others) I order 4 single PS4s, now I feel it's a solid account.
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #1118 on: June 17, 2018, 11:13:45 PM »
Thanks again!! Hopefully, it will actually work this time!

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« Reply #1119 on: June 17, 2018, 11:15:01 PM »
Thanks again!! Hopefully, it will actually work this time!
Make sure to credit me when you bring in boatloads to the group ::)
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