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BEFORE SWIPING FOR SOMEONE READ THIS: (first hand story)

https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=36812.msg2062371#msg2062371
https://www.dansdeals.com/more/dans-commentary/dark-side-earning-credit-card-points-psa-dont-swipe-others/#comment-1399884


Dan's warning to DDF:
I hope people realize that any buying group or anyone else that gets merchandise in advance of payment can go south at any time. That's even if you get a check at the time of delivery.
X-posting as I don't want anyone to say that I never put a warning here.

A story that ended up in court - https://iapps.courts.state.ny.us/nyscef/DocumentList?docketId=iRcRHuyZUdOIx69D00a5XQ==&display=all&courtType=Kings%20County%20Supreme%20Court&resultsPageNum=1


I am one of the biggest buyers for buying groups, I have done millions in transactions and have sent to every group there is over the past 3 years. Most buying groups are okay, some scan in slower than others, some pay slower than others - most will lose a few packages over the year. You can research and find which are better for you.

However there is a bigger problem now with Amazon itself.  Amazon in the past has been great with any problems always ready with a refund for lost packages even if it was thousands of dollars. Lately Amazon has clamped down and has tagged these buying groups addresses  in their systems as "freight forwarder" and now no longer will fix any problem you have whatsoever. Doesn't matter what the problem is, even if it shows the package was never delivered, amazon will not help you in any way. Their copy and paste response will always be "this item was sent to a freight forwarder and we're unable to replace or refund the item. We recommend contacting your freight forwarder for more details, as we don't have any more insight or information regarding this matter, For more information about sending items via freight forwarders, please visit our Help Pages: https://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html?nodeId=201117950." As well the amazon drivers either must know this or have been increasingly bad at delivering packages because the numbers of packages missing has gone up astronomically. Previously you would have very few packages missing, now the past 3 months I have had 59 "lost" packages. I now have over $15,000 of loses and some guy in Delaware is probably living the life with all the stuff he stole from me. I will survive, I have made a lot more than $15,000 over the years however just a warning to others here that things are not as they used to be and it really is no longer worth doing buring groups with all the loses piling up

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #1120 on: June 17, 2018, 11:22:15 PM »
Make sure to credit me when you bring in boatloads to the group ::)
I'll make sure DW knows. :)

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #1121 on: June 17, 2018, 11:25:33 PM »
I'll make sure DW knows. :)
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #1122 on: June 17, 2018, 11:32:29 PM »
Always start slow, always! Besides the limit is one, I have 1 account I just revived with that (didn't work for others) I order 4 single PS4s, now I feel it's a solid account.
Revived? It was shut down?

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« Reply #1123 on: June 17, 2018, 11:32:52 PM »
Revived? It was shut down?
All orders were canceled
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #1124 on: June 17, 2018, 11:44:23 PM »


Understand but the question was using another businesses tax exempt number. So you have a tax exempt number for your business? Does each person need their own reselling business and tax exempt number?

Best buy actually requires each employee to have they're own number..

They are defrauding bb on their sales potential, market growth strategy etc etc. Their deals are not intended to be abused and manipulated by a Rico organiy out to rip off corporations,by mobilizing an army of con artists to deplete their limited discounted merchandise etc etc. Bla bla
I'm not a prosecutor or lawyer,but you gotta be really naive if you think no laws are being broken or bent

From what I've been told is most best buy sales are generally to drain inventory. They're happy to drain it to resellers, except they don't want to be in blatant violation of they're apple authorized retailer agreement.
The only "illeaglity" is being in violation of best buys T&C which the most they can do is attempt to ban you.

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #1125 on: June 18, 2018, 02:02:26 AM »
What do you want to know? It's pretty simple.
Firstly the risks and downsides.

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #1126 on: June 18, 2018, 02:09:23 AM »

Best buy actually requires each employee to have they're own number..

From what I've been told is most best buy sales are generally to drain inventory. They're happy to drain it to resellers, except they don't want to be in blatant violation of they're apple authorized retailer agreement.
The only "illeaglity" is being in violation of best buys T&C which the most they can do is attempt to ban you.
+1
I understand that to the case from several managers. BB does not have a problem with re-sellers per see. It's really best buy trying to CYA. They are worried if they are caught blatantly giving limitless items to re-sellers, Apple and other large manufacturers will give them hell. 

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #1127 on: June 18, 2018, 08:53:40 AM »
does waiting a couple of months help once you cant get any orders thru?
what about with gc would that make a difference?

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #1128 on: June 20, 2018, 10:47:53 AM »
They are defrauding bb on their sales potential, market growth strategy etc etc. Their deals are not intended to be abused and manipulated by a Rico organiy out to rip off corporations,by mobilizing an army of con artists to deplete their limited discounted merchandise etc etc. Bla bla
I'm not a prosecutor or lawyer,but you gotta be really naive if you think no laws are being broken or bent

Are you basing this upon fact or is this your feelings alone? Kindly point to which laws are being broken or bent for that matter. Don't forget a company's terms and conditions setting purchase limits is not in fact it's own standing laws nor able to be prosecuted upon solely in any sort of criminal matter as far as I'm aware.

Did you hear this from a CPA or someone otherwise knowledgeable in this matter?

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #1129 on: June 20, 2018, 11:01:08 AM »
Are you basing this upon fact or is this your feelings alone? Kindly point to which laws are being broken or bent for that matter. Don't forget a company's terms and conditions setting purchase limits is not in fact it's own standing laws nor able to be prosecuted upon solely in any sort of criminal matter as far as I'm aware.

Did you hear this from a CPA or someone otherwise knowledgeable in this matter?
Ummm, he IS a CPA. lol
Feelings don't care about your facts

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #1130 on: June 20, 2018, 11:11:21 AM »
Ummm, he IS a CPA. lol
OK then, kindly point to which actual laws are being broken here? Because in my discussion of this with my CPA I was told that so long as I'm not actually profiting $600 worth I won't need a 1099 and don't need to worry. The swiping itself can be proven pretty easily as to whom's behalf I'm doing this. It's being resold wholesale (so not required to collect sales tax) and not for any personal use whatsoever.

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #1131 on: June 20, 2018, 11:19:33 AM »
OK then, kindly point to which actual laws are being broken here? Because in my discussion of this with my CPA I was told that so long as I'm not actually profiting $600 worth I won't need a 1099 and don't need to worry. The swiping itself can be proven pretty easily as to whom's behalf I'm doing this. It's being resold wholesale (so not required to collect sales tax) and not for any personal use whatsoever.
My comment was directed at the buyer group managers/owners.

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #1132 on: June 20, 2018, 11:43:20 PM »
My comment was directed at the buyer group managers/owners.
Much of your comment seemed to be directed towards members of the group doing the purchasing. Again correct me if I'm wrong.

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #1133 on: June 21, 2018, 06:38:09 AM »
Much of your comment seemed to be directed towards members of the group doing the purchasing. Again correct me if I'm wrong.
You're wrong. Apologize that it came out that way, it was from the owners perspective.

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #1134 on: June 21, 2018, 11:51:44 PM »
You're wrong. Apologize that it came out that way, it was from the owners perspective.


They are defrauding bb on their sales potential, market growth strategy etc etc. Their deals are not intended to be abused and manipulated by a Rico organiy out to rip off corporations,by mobilizing an army of con artists to deplete their limited discounted merchandise etc etc. Bla bla
I took issue with this statement. Perhaps I'm tired after a long day of work but not sure why the buyers are con artists or anything of the sort. As mentioned, you stated I'm wrong however your original statement in simple context doesn't seem to indicate that I am.

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #1135 on: June 22, 2018, 03:25:36 PM »
I took issue with this statement. Perhaps I'm tired after a long day of work but not sure why the buyers are con artists or anything of the sort. As mentioned, you stated I'm wrong however your original statement in simple context doesn't seem to indicate that I am.
Many things we do in these games are questionable at best.
I just found a new supply of forks!

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #1137 on: July 16, 2018, 06:49:49 PM »
Today was a fun day!
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #1138 on: July 16, 2018, 06:58:58 PM »
Today was a fun day!
My cart was getting empty and i was having various issues...
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #1139 on: July 16, 2018, 07:23:48 PM »
My cart was getting empty and i was having various issues...
+1 kept finding my cart empty
Today was a fun day!
but eventually it worked out...does amazon get annoyed at these high quantity orders or not? i mean they give you option to add up to 30 for some items....
really not interested in being banned from amazon