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BEFORE SWIPING FOR SOMEONE READ THIS: (first hand story)

https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=36812.msg2062371#msg2062371
https://www.dansdeals.com/more/dans-commentary/dark-side-earning-credit-card-points-psa-dont-swipe-others/#comment-1399884


Dan's warning to DDF:
I hope people realize that any buying group or anyone else that gets merchandise in advance of payment can go south at any time. That's even if you get a check at the time of delivery.
X-posting as I don't want anyone to say that I never put a warning here.

A story that ended up in court - https://iapps.courts.state.ny.us/nyscef/DocumentList?docketId=iRcRHuyZUdOIx69D00a5XQ==&display=all&courtType=Kings%20County%20Supreme%20Court&resultsPageNum=1


I am one of the biggest buyers for buying groups, I have done millions in transactions and have sent to every group there is over the past 3 years. Most buying groups are okay, some scan in slower than others, some pay slower than others - most will lose a few packages over the year. You can research and find which are better for you.

However there is a bigger problem now with Amazon itself.  Amazon in the past has been great with any problems always ready with a refund for lost packages even if it was thousands of dollars. Lately Amazon has clamped down and has tagged these buying groups addresses  in their systems as "freight forwarder" and now no longer will fix any problem you have whatsoever. Doesn't matter what the problem is, even if it shows the package was never delivered, amazon will not help you in any way. Their copy and paste response will always be "this item was sent to a freight forwarder and we're unable to replace or refund the item. We recommend contacting your freight forwarder for more details, as we don't have any more insight or information regarding this matter, For more information about sending items via freight forwarders, please visit our Help Pages: https://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html?nodeId=201117950." As well the amazon drivers either must know this or have been increasingly bad at delivering packages because the numbers of packages missing has gone up astronomically. Previously you would have very few packages missing, now the past 3 months I have had 59 "lost" packages. I now have over $15,000 of loses and some guy in Delaware is probably living the life with all the stuff he stole from me. I will survive, I have made a lot more than $15,000 over the years however just a warning to others here that things are not as they used to be and it really is no longer worth doing buring groups with all the loses piling up

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #1160 on: August 15, 2018, 02:52:27 PM »
They're called tradelines. Google it. Some banks are more prone to shutting you down than others.

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Re: Buying Groups
« Reply #1161 on: August 19, 2018, 07:23:19 PM »
Anyone have info/experience with MYS Buying Group that was featured in the ami this week?
Its not worth even trying it. i signed up an made a few orders and on one order they say they didn't receive it even though tracking shows that it was handed over to someone, so i guess this is where they make their money and you would be lucky to break even after doing ur best with points.  (and btw the first time i did orders for them on EBAY i immediately got suspended for life, so think before signing up.

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Re: Buying Groups
« Reply #1162 on: August 19, 2018, 07:29:31 PM »
and btw the first time i did orders for them on EBAY i immediately got suspended for life, so think before signing up.
Where did you ship it to?
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« Reply #1163 on: August 19, 2018, 07:35:49 PM »
i signed up an made a few orders and on one order they say they didn't receive it even though tracking shows that it was handed over to someone, so i guess this is where they make their money and you would be lucky to break even after doing ur best with points.

I know first hand what it's like to have packages "delivered" to them but they "did't receive it". I'm not suggesting they're lying, just simply, they're not in control of what is gong on and lose buyers merchandise. Hey, it's not their money so what should they care!?

Also, I had a $5k box from Best-Buy stolen from my front porch. It was a headache getting a reimbursement from Best-BUy. I'm done buying for these guys. Let them find other means of getting their merchandise.
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Re: Buying Groups
« Reply #1164 on: August 19, 2018, 09:49:30 PM »
I know first hand what it's like to have packages "delivered" to them but they "did't receive it". I'm not suggesting they're lying, just simply, they're not in control of what is gong on and lose buyers merchandise. Hey, it's not their money so what should they care!?

Also, I had a $5k box from Best-Buy stolen from my front porch. It was a headache getting a reimbursement from Best-BUy. I'm done buying for these guys. Let them find other means of getting their merchandise.
Well said, not worth the risk.
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #1165 on: August 19, 2018, 10:19:53 PM »
there are hundreds of people who have never had any issues... with spending many times $5k
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #1167 on: August 19, 2018, 10:48:24 PM »
I know first hand what it's like to have packages "delivered" to them but they "did't receive it". I'm not suggesting they're lying, just simply, they're not in control of what is gong on and lose buyers merchandise. Hey, it's not their money so what should they care!?

Also, I had a $5k box from Best-Buy stolen from my front porch. It was a headache getting a reimbursement from Best-BUy. I'm done buying for these guys. Let them find other means of getting their merchandise.
Lol. The second half of your post literally shows how they aren't at fault for what you blame them on the first half.
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« Reply #1168 on: August 19, 2018, 10:50:35 PM »
Lol. The second half of your post literally shows how they aren't at fault for what you blame them on the first half.
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Re: Buying Groups
« Reply #1169 on: August 19, 2018, 10:52:41 PM »
Delaware
I'm going to assume that's the reason you were banned. I only bought for them once so far so I don't know the ropes. But if eBay doesn't like what they are doing and they know they're located there. I'd assume anybody that ships there will get banned instantly.
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #1170 on: August 19, 2018, 10:52:43 PM »
I don’t follow.
He's blaming them for merchandise they say they never received, yet he himself saw it makes sense that they aren't at fault when he lost a 5k package.
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #1171 on: August 19, 2018, 10:53:07 PM »
I don’t follow.
you deleted that too fast ;D
thats the disadvantage of buying things online and having them delivered without requiring  signature
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« Reply #1172 on: August 19, 2018, 10:54:52 PM »
He's blaming them for merchandise they say they never received, yet he himself saw it makes sense that they aren't at fault when he lost a 5k package.
You don’t see a difference in who’s responsible for dealing with shipper/merchant based on where the item was lost?

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« Reply #1173 on: August 19, 2018, 10:55:16 PM »
I'm going to assume that's the reason you were banned. I only bought for them once so far so I don't know the ropes. But if eBay doesn't like what they are doing and they know they're located there. I'd assume anybody that ships there will get banned instantly.
-1 you get banned for buying to many of their deals even if you ship to  NJ/NY
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« Reply #1174 on: August 19, 2018, 10:58:13 PM »
You don’t see a difference in who’s responsible for dealing with shipper/merchant based on where the item was lost?
I do.
My opinion is simple, it makes plenty sense that items have never been delivered occasionally, and it's the retailer who is at fault. Just like you can have that happen when shipping to home
Obviously if it's an extreme amount the group doing something wrong. I've sent thousands of dollars of merchandise to MYS, and never had an item lost, I just don't think it's a common occurrence.
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« Reply #1175 on: August 19, 2018, 10:58:50 PM »
-1 you get banned for buying to many of their deals even if you ship to  NJ/NY
When you say NY/NJ do you mean to your own house? And that's not a stira to what I said. Thats another way for eBay to see that you're buying for them.

Unless you meant that eBay doesn't care if you ship to Delaware. Just that you shouldn't buy more than the limit?
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« Reply #1176 on: August 19, 2018, 11:02:56 PM »
I do.
My opinion is simple, it makes plenty sense that items have never been delivered occasionally, and it's the retailer who is at fault. Just like you can have that happen when shipping to home
Obviously if it's an extreme amount the group doing something wrong. I've sent thousands of dollars of merchandise to MYS, and never had an item lost, I just don't think it's a common occurrence.
But if there is an issue and shipper claims to have delivered the item, who should be responsible for remediating?

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« Reply #1177 on: August 19, 2018, 11:04:40 PM »
When you say NY/NJ do you mean to your own house? And that's not a stira to what I said. Thats another way for eBay to see that you're buying for them.

Unless you meant that eBay doesn't care if you ship to Delaware. Just that you shouldn't buy more than the limit?
You can get banned for a buying a single daily deal to your house, eBay just bans everyone, it's only a matter of time, doesn't matter how much you buy or where you ship to.
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« Reply #1178 on: August 19, 2018, 11:05:46 PM »
But if there is an issue and shipper claims to have delivered the item, who should be responsible for remediating?
If the group genuinly never got it, are they responsible?
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #1179 on: August 19, 2018, 11:06:12 PM »
I recently had with MYS  an issue. I bought 3 of same item and they claimed they only got two. Was supposed to be delivered in the same box. They made me fight amazon for the $100. Even though the full order was in the thousands.  Was very disappointed. They called me to discuss which was nice but they basically told me to go screw myself(in nice terms). Probably wont do business with them again
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