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BEFORE SWIPING FOR SOMEONE READ THIS: (first hand story)

https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=36812.msg2062371#msg2062371
https://www.dansdeals.com/more/dans-commentary/dark-side-earning-credit-card-points-psa-dont-swipe-others/#comment-1399884


Dan's warning to DDF:
I hope people realize that any buying group or anyone else that gets merchandise in advance of payment can go south at any time. That's even if you get a check at the time of delivery.
X-posting as I don't want anyone to say that I never put a warning here.

A story that ended up in court - https://iapps.courts.state.ny.us/nyscef/DocumentList?docketId=iRcRHuyZUdOIx69D00a5XQ==&display=all&courtType=Kings%20County%20Supreme%20Court&resultsPageNum=1


I am one of the biggest buyers for buying groups, I have done millions in transactions and have sent to every group there is over the past 3 years. Most buying groups are okay, some scan in slower than others, some pay slower than others - most will lose a few packages over the year. You can research and find which are better for you.

However there is a bigger problem now with Amazon itself.  Amazon in the past has been great with any problems always ready with a refund for lost packages even if it was thousands of dollars. Lately Amazon has clamped down and has tagged these buying groups addresses  in their systems as "freight forwarder" and now no longer will fix any problem you have whatsoever. Doesn't matter what the problem is, even if it shows the package was never delivered, amazon will not help you in any way. Their copy and paste response will always be "this item was sent to a freight forwarder and we're unable to replace or refund the item. We recommend contacting your freight forwarder for more details, as we don't have any more insight or information regarding this matter, For more information about sending items via freight forwarders, please visit our Help Pages: https://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html?nodeId=201117950." As well the amazon drivers either must know this or have been increasingly bad at delivering packages because the numbers of packages missing has gone up astronomically. Previously you would have very few packages missing, now the past 3 months I have had 59 "lost" packages. I now have over $15,000 of loses and some guy in Delaware is probably living the life with all the stuff he stole from me. I will survive, I have made a lot more than $15,000 over the years however just a warning to others here that things are not as they used to be and it really is no longer worth doing buring groups with all the loses piling up

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #1200 on: August 20, 2018, 01:13:04 PM »
You think their fancy enough to have a customer service department...
None of the groups have any customer service. If anything happens, it's on you.
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #1201 on: August 20, 2018, 01:44:16 PM »
If an item was lost in their warehouse, yes, I think they should take responsibility.
The package wasn't lost. It was stolen after delivered. If the package is delivered to their warehouse they better make sure it is not stolen/misplaced. You having thousand of dollars with no problems is 100% useless. It is how they handle problems that is important.
I'm talking about where they say it was never delivered, doubtful that items are stolen from there.
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #1202 on: August 20, 2018, 02:48:49 PM »
It's very risky i'll tell you that. How can you file a claim if you can't be 100% sure it was not received?

I would never ship to a company's warehouse. I would never buy deals on ebay or amazon with the risk of beings banned.

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #1203 on: August 20, 2018, 03:25:30 PM »
I would never ship to a company's warehouse. I would never buy deals on ebay or amazon with the risk of beings banned.
How much is not being banned from ebay worth to you? besides, you can usually still order with guest checkout.

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #1204 on: August 20, 2018, 04:14:52 PM »
How much is not being banned from ebay worth to you? besides, you can usually still order with guest checkout.

Registered on eBay nearly 20 years ago..

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #1205 on: August 20, 2018, 04:15:49 PM »
Registered on eBay nearly 20 years ago..
So?

Unless you're talking about a seller account.

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #1206 on: August 20, 2018, 04:23:32 PM »
How much is not being banned from ebay worth to you?
Minimum 50k/yr.
I just found a new supply of forks!

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #1207 on: August 20, 2018, 04:37:08 PM »
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #1208 on: August 20, 2018, 06:51:13 PM »
You can continue to sell after being banned.
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #1209 on: August 20, 2018, 07:13:33 PM »
How much is not being banned from ebay worth to you? besides, you can usually still order with guest checkout.

But you lose ebay bucks which was very, very nice before I got banned  :-\

Registered on eBay nearly 20 years ago..

I was also and when I called to complain I got reinstated but then months later I randomly got locked down (with no notification I just get an error anytime I try to checkout while logged in) again and so far my pleas have fallen on deaf ears.
If it's not free shipping it's not worth it.

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #1210 on: August 20, 2018, 08:21:19 PM »
But you lose ebay bucks which was very, very nice before I got banned  :-\

I was also and when I called to complain I got reinstated but then months later I randomly got locked down (with no notification I just get an error anytime I try to checkout while logged in) again and so far my pleas have fallen on deaf ears.
How did you get reinstated ? When i tried multiple times i got a straight no.
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #1211 on: August 21, 2018, 12:55:26 AM »
But you lose ebay bucks which was very, very nice before I got banned  :-\

I was also and when I called to complain I got reinstated but then months later I randomly got locked down (with no notification I just get an error anytime I try to checkout while logged in) again and so far my pleas have fallen on deaf ears.
If you're only doing ebay orders from your account while logged in there is absolutely no point, save your account and don't order. If you're doing it right you'll be making way more than the ebay bucks were paying you anyway.
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #1212 on: August 21, 2018, 08:39:53 AM »
You can continue to sell after being banned.
I was for a few months then got banned for that as well..

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #1213 on: August 22, 2018, 12:02:46 AM »
Minimum 50k/yr.
If you are talking about spend you can do 10 x that after you have been banned

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #1214 on: August 22, 2018, 12:26:34 AM »
Also, if they expect you to spend hours on the phone to resolve issues that occurred within their premises, that significantly reduces the value proposition.
what do you expect them to do they have no way to make a claim they were not the purchaser. you can place a claim and most of the time get your money back yes it may take hrs on the phone but usually you will be able to get your money back thats just one of the risks of playing this game some times you will have to spend time fixing issues

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #1215 on: August 22, 2018, 12:28:44 AM »
If you are talking about spend...
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #1217 on: August 30, 2018, 02:50:38 PM »
None of the groups have any customer service. If anything happens, it's on you.

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USA buying has great customer service (unlike MYS where it is so difficult to communicate or get something resolved). I rarely have ever had a problem with them and if I did, such as them losing a product one time in an entire year, they sent me the money for it immediately. If I ever have questions or issues they are there to resolve it immediately. Just my opinion.

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« Reply #1218 on: August 30, 2018, 04:44:16 PM »
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USA buying has great customer service (unlike MYS where it is so difficult to communicate or get something resolved). I rarely have ever had a problem with them and if I did, such as them losing a product one time in an entire year, they sent me the money for it immediately. If I ever have questions or issues they are there to resolve it immediately. Just my opinion.
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #1219 on: August 30, 2018, 05:24:46 PM »
If you are talking about spend you can do 10 x that after you have been banned
What if your also banned from pp
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