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BEFORE SWIPING FOR SOMEONE READ THIS: (first hand story)

https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=36812.msg2062371#msg2062371
https://www.dansdeals.com/more/dans-commentary/dark-side-earning-credit-card-points-psa-dont-swipe-others/#comment-1399884


Dan's warning to DDF:
I hope people realize that any buying group or anyone else that gets merchandise in advance of payment can go south at any time. That's even if you get a check at the time of delivery.
X-posting as I don't want anyone to say that I never put a warning here.

A story that ended up in court - https://iapps.courts.state.ny.us/nyscef/DocumentList?docketId=iRcRHuyZUdOIx69D00a5XQ==&display=all&courtType=Kings%20County%20Supreme%20Court&resultsPageNum=1


I am one of the biggest buyers for buying groups, I have done millions in transactions and have sent to every group there is over the past 3 years. Most buying groups are okay, some scan in slower than others, some pay slower than others - most will lose a few packages over the year. You can research and find which are better for you.

However there is a bigger problem now with Amazon itself.  Amazon in the past has been great with any problems always ready with a refund for lost packages even if it was thousands of dollars. Lately Amazon has clamped down and has tagged these buying groups addresses  in their systems as "freight forwarder" and now no longer will fix any problem you have whatsoever. Doesn't matter what the problem is, even if it shows the package was never delivered, amazon will not help you in any way. Their copy and paste response will always be "this item was sent to a freight forwarder and we're unable to replace or refund the item. We recommend contacting your freight forwarder for more details, as we don't have any more insight or information regarding this matter, For more information about sending items via freight forwarders, please visit our Help Pages: https://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html?nodeId=201117950." As well the amazon drivers either must know this or have been increasingly bad at delivering packages because the numbers of packages missing has gone up astronomically. Previously you would have very few packages missing, now the past 3 months I have had 59 "lost" packages. I now have over $15,000 of loses and some guy in Delaware is probably living the life with all the stuff he stole from me. I will survive, I have made a lot more than $15,000 over the years however just a warning to others here that things are not as they used to be and it really is no longer worth doing buring groups with all the loses piling up

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #1260 on: September 06, 2018, 08:30:36 PM »
I would not want to be @Dan if something went wrong.  :)
I was extremely uneasy when I first heard of this idea. I said PFS would have to put up big bucks to back things up if they went south. They did and things always went impressively smoothly for such a large scale deal. Which was good as we gave a DD backup guarantee for those deals.

We did that a couple times and at this point I'm comfortable enough not requiring it, with the disclaimer that it's not our responsibility. There's no such thing as no risk, but their honesty over 4 years of working together has been commendable.
Save your time, I don't answer PM. Post it in the forum and a dedicated DDF'er will get back to you as soon as possible.

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #1261 on: September 06, 2018, 09:49:33 PM »
I was extremely uneasy when I first heard of this idea. I said PFS would have to put up big bucks to back things up if they went south. They did and things always went impressively smoothly for such a large scale deal. Which was good as we gave a DD backup guarantee for those deals.

We did that a couple times and at this point I'm comfortable enough not requiring it, with the disclaimer that it's not our responsibility. There's no such thing as no risk, but their honesty over 4 years of working together has been commendable.
It’s still VERY risky. Past performance is no guarantee of future results. Still, I guess you could say that about all buying groups, though I prefer handing over packages and receiving a check on the spot.. check actually needs to bounce then.
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #1262 on: September 06, 2018, 10:06:14 PM »
I was extremely uneasy when I first heard of this idea. I said PFS would have to put up big bucks to back things up if they went south. They did and things always went impressively smoothly for such a large scale deal. Which was good as we gave a DD backup guarantee for those deals.

We did that a couple times and at this point I'm comfortable enough not requiring it, with the disclaimer that it's not our responsibility. There's no such thing as no risk, but their honesty over 4 years of working together has been commendable.
just tell us how many $ you are making here, lol.

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #1263 on: September 06, 2018, 10:08:03 PM »
Save your time, I don't answer PM. Post it in the forum and a dedicated DDF'er will get back to you as soon as possible.

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #1264 on: September 06, 2018, 10:15:39 PM »

This isn’t prime day or Black Friday...

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« Reply #1265 on: September 06, 2018, 10:18:26 PM »
This isn’t prime day or Black Friday...
Lol, mixing up DD with SD again?
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #1266 on: September 06, 2018, 10:30:56 PM »
I was extremely uneasy when I first heard of this idea. I said PFS would have to put up big bucks to back things up if they went south. They did and things always went impressively smoothly for such a large scale deal. Which was good as we gave a DD backup guarantee for those deals.

We did that a couple times and at this point I'm comfortable enough not requiring it, with the disclaimer that it's not our responsibility. There's no such thing as no risk, but their honesty over 4 years of working together has been commendable.

They put money in escrow for it?

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #1267 on: September 06, 2018, 10:34:30 PM »
Yes, for the first couple times.
Not for the last few times.
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #1268 on: September 06, 2018, 10:39:10 PM »
When’s the next coin deal

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #1269 on: September 12, 2018, 10:44:57 AM »
i am starting to accumulate points on credit cards and would like to join some buying group can everyone respond to me with there buying groups and there experience with them

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #1270 on: September 12, 2018, 10:52:58 AM »
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #1271 on: September 17, 2018, 01:35:56 AM »
Not all at once..
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Re: Buying Groups
« Reply #1272 on: September 26, 2018, 12:41:09 AM »
is there a electronic copy  of this article?
do you know which issue by ami magazine this one is?


Join at mysbuyinggroup.com.
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #1273 on: October 03, 2018, 08:12:59 PM »
i am starting to accumulate points on credit cards and would like to join some buying group can everyone respond to me with there buying groups and there experience with them
USA vs MYS

USA:
 "In order for this group to be successful,  the relationship must be a 2-way street. First and foremost, we NEVER want our buyers to be losing money. However if the price does drop before an item is brought in, we ask that you work with us so we can pay that price"

MYS:
 "In the event that a price changes, we will happily honor the previous price, so long as it is within a reasonable time frame, and proof of purchase is available"

choice is yours.........
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #1274 on: October 03, 2018, 08:27:39 PM »
Can someone who's VERY familiar with MYS  please PM me
Thanks

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #1275 on: October 03, 2018, 09:25:06 PM »
USA vs MYS

USA:
 "In order for this group to be successful,  the relationship must be a 2-way street. First and foremost, we NEVER want our buyers to be losing money. However if the price does drop before an item is brought in, we ask that you work with us so we can pay that price"

MYS:
 "In the event that a price changes, we will happily honor the previous price, so long as it is within a reasonable time frame, and proof of purchase is available"

choice is yours.........

Ive only seen USA try to enforce that once and they never tried again.

Can someone who's VERY familiar with MYS  please PM me
Thanks


you want a buyer or an admin?

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #1276 on: October 03, 2018, 09:37:50 PM »
Ive only seen USA try to enforce that once and they never tried again.

you want a buyer or an admin?
Buyer
looks like he wants to start his own group
Pm sent sorry for the delay

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #1277 on: October 03, 2018, 10:38:48 PM »
Ive only seen USA try to enforce that once and they never tried again.

Until they do.... A group that cant honor its word, and stand behind their deals especially when they send wrong links, is one I would stay away from....

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #1278 on: October 03, 2018, 10:46:33 PM »
Until they do.... A group that cant honor its word, and stand behind their deals especially when they send wrong links, is one I would stay away from....
Several weeks ago MYS sent a wrong link - even though they specified in the description which item they meant but they still honored it.

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #1279 on: October 03, 2018, 11:06:23 PM »
Until they do.... A group that cant honor its word, and stand behind their deals especially when they send wrong links, is one I would stay away from....
Several weeks ago MYS sent a wrong link - even though they specified in the description which item they meant but they still honored it.

Are you guys both referring to the Red/Black Amazon Fire deal ?
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