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https://www.dansdeals.com/more/dans-commentary/dark-side-earning-credit-card-points-psa-dont-swipe-others/

https://www.mixcloud.com/zev-brenner/talkline-with-zev-brenner-on-credit-card-scams-affecting-the-orthodox-jewish-community/

http://podcast.headlinesbook.com/e/31616-credit-card-miles-and-points-swiping-for-rewards-buying-and-selling-miles-is-it-assur-and-a-chillul-hashem-or-a-great-way-for-a-side-parnassah/



BEFORE SWIPING FOR SOMEONE READ THIS: (first hand story)

https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=36812.msg2062371#msg2062371
https://www.dansdeals.com/more/dans-commentary/dark-side-earning-credit-card-points-psa-dont-swipe-others/#comment-1399884


Dan's warning to DDF:
I hope people realize that any buying group or anyone else that gets merchandise in advance of payment can go south at any time. That's even if you get a check at the time of delivery.
X-posting as I don't want anyone to say that I never put a warning here.

A story that ended up in court - https://iapps.courts.state.ny.us/nyscef/DocumentList?docketId=iRcRHuyZUdOIx69D00a5XQ==&display=all&courtType=Kings%20County%20Supreme%20Court&resultsPageNum=1


I am one of the biggest buyers for buying groups, I have done millions in transactions and have sent to every group there is over the past 3 years. Most buying groups are okay, some scan in slower than others, some pay slower than others - most will lose a few packages over the year. You can research and find which are better for you.

However there is a bigger problem now with Amazon itself.  Amazon in the past has been great with any problems always ready with a refund for lost packages even if it was thousands of dollars. Lately Amazon has clamped down and has tagged these buying groups addresses  in their systems as "freight forwarder" and now no longer will fix any problem you have whatsoever. Doesn't matter what the problem is, even if it shows the package was never delivered, amazon will not help you in any way. Their copy and paste response will always be "this item was sent to a freight forwarder and we're unable to replace or refund the item. We recommend contacting your freight forwarder for more details, as we don't have any more insight or information regarding this matter, For more information about sending items via freight forwarders, please visit our Help Pages: https://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html?nodeId=201117950." As well the amazon drivers either must know this or have been increasingly bad at delivering packages because the numbers of packages missing has gone up astronomically. Previously you would have very few packages missing, now the past 3 months I have had 59 "lost" packages. I now have over $15,000 of loses and some guy in Delaware is probably living the life with all the stuff he stole from me. I will survive, I have made a lot more than $15,000 over the years however just a warning to others here that things are not as they used to be and it really is no longer worth doing buring groups with all the loses piling up

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #1300 on: October 04, 2018, 10:00:43 PM »
i disagree. It’s one thing if you buy without specific attention for one of them but in this case it’s borderline stealing on their part
Stealing ? Say what ??
Isn't this classic עני מהפך בחרה? @aygart

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #1301 on: October 04, 2018, 10:04:08 PM »
Isn't this classic עני מהפך בחרה? @aygart
Definitely not classic.
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #1302 on: October 04, 2018, 10:09:00 PM »
Definitely not classic.
Granted, because there's someone in between. But reuven buys for Shimon at a price that's no longer available, and Levi comes in after there is an understanding  to buy it.

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #1303 on: October 04, 2018, 10:10:11 PM »
Granted, because there's someone in between. But reuven buys for Shimon at a price that's no longer available, and Levi comes in after there is an understanding  to buy it.
Where is there a understanding ?
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #1304 on: October 04, 2018, 10:12:47 PM »
Where is there a understanding ?
I'm not involved in this, but when they send out a link and you click on it and buy it isn't the system set up that you will sell to them? I know there's no obligation, but I would consider that an informal understanding

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #1305 on: October 04, 2018, 10:19:17 PM »


I'm not involved in this, but when they send out a link and you click on it and buy it isn't the system set up that you will sell to them? I know there's no obligation, but I would consider that an informal understanding

The group wants you to sell to them. The person who bought it can do whatever he wants.

If 5 groups send you the same deal, and you randomly choose one group's link, do you need to sell to that group ?
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #1306 on: October 04, 2018, 10:25:54 PM »
I'm not involved in this, but when they send out a link and you click on it and buy it isn't the system set up that you will sell to them? I know there's no obligation, but I would consider that an informal understanding
There definitely isn't an "obligation" , the question is whether it's morally/ethically correct.

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #1307 on: October 04, 2018, 10:36:18 PM »

The group wants you to sell to them. The person who bought it can do whatever he wants.

If 5 groups send you the same deal, and you randomly choose one group's link, do you need to sell to that group ?
I don't think that would be an עני מהפך
There definitely isn't an "obligation" , the question is whether it's morally/ethically correct.
the definition of עני מהפך  is that there is no obligation. If there is then it's stealing.

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #1308 on: October 04, 2018, 10:38:35 PM »
Isn't this classic עני מהפך בחרה? @aygart
I am not familiar enough with how these buying groups work to answer that. Much depends on whether there is a real agreement to sell th eobject.
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #1309 on: October 04, 2018, 11:39:43 PM »
How do I join these buying groups? Both USA and MYS

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #1310 on: October 04, 2018, 11:41:16 PM »

How do I join these buying groups? Both USA and MYS



Join at mysbuyinggroup.com.
Make sure to put in referred by "davidrotts" ::)

And usabuying.group


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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #1311 on: October 05, 2018, 10:53:34 AM »
Can someone who's VERY familiar with MYS  please PM me
Thanks
Bump.. looking for a MYS buyer, (an admin is fine also)

I'm not looking to open my own group, just a simple question

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« Reply #1312 on: October 05, 2018, 01:16:29 PM »
Bump.. looking for a MYS buyer, (an admin is fine also)

I'm not looking to open my own group, just a simple question
Thanks everyone I got the info I needed

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #1313 on: October 05, 2018, 01:19:19 PM »
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I know 2 other groups who bought them as well.
Do you mind naming more groups all i see is mys and usa

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #1314 on: October 05, 2018, 01:43:19 PM »
Do you mind naming more groups all i see is mys and usa
can someone please send me a list of all the buying groups they know. i know mys usa an simtec. what other ones are there

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #1315 on: October 06, 2018, 12:34:52 AM »
yes please, can someone be kindly PM me with all the buying groups you're part of. Thank you - I would love to join. *Thanks*

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #1316 on: October 06, 2018, 09:13:42 PM »
Just start a wiki and list them there.
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #1317 on: October 11, 2018, 11:13:01 PM »
Is usa buying group reliable? They said they pay by e-check, does that trigger anything from PayPal or irs? Just want to know. Thanks!  What other buying groups are there to join?

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #1318 on: October 11, 2018, 11:22:38 PM »
Is usa buying group reliable? They said they pay by e-check, does that trigger anything from PayPal or irs? Just want to know. Thanks!  What other buying groups are there to join?
e-check has nothing to do with paypal. its a check that you print from ur email. its no different than if they were to send you a check in the mail
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« Reply #1319 on: October 12, 2018, 12:05:08 AM »
e-check has nothing to do with paypal. its a check that you print from ur email. its no different than if they were to send you a check in the mail
Correct
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Check_21_Act
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