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BEFORE SWIPING FOR SOMEONE READ THIS: (first hand story)

https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=36812.msg2062371#msg2062371
https://www.dansdeals.com/more/dans-commentary/dark-side-earning-credit-card-points-psa-dont-swipe-others/#comment-1399884


Dan's warning to DDF:
I hope people realize that any buying group or anyone else that gets merchandise in advance of payment can go south at any time. That's even if you get a check at the time of delivery.
X-posting as I don't want anyone to say that I never put a warning here.

A story that ended up in court - https://iapps.courts.state.ny.us/nyscef/DocumentList?docketId=iRcRHuyZUdOIx69D00a5XQ==&display=all&courtType=Kings%20County%20Supreme%20Court&resultsPageNum=1


I am one of the biggest buyers for buying groups, I have done millions in transactions and have sent to every group there is over the past 3 years. Most buying groups are okay, some scan in slower than others, some pay slower than others - most will lose a few packages over the year. You can research and find which are better for you.

However there is a bigger problem now with Amazon itself.  Amazon in the past has been great with any problems always ready with a refund for lost packages even if it was thousands of dollars. Lately Amazon has clamped down and has tagged these buying groups addresses  in their systems as "freight forwarder" and now no longer will fix any problem you have whatsoever. Doesn't matter what the problem is, even if it shows the package was never delivered, amazon will not help you in any way. Their copy and paste response will always be "this item was sent to a freight forwarder and we're unable to replace or refund the item. We recommend contacting your freight forwarder for more details, as we don't have any more insight or information regarding this matter, For more information about sending items via freight forwarders, please visit our Help Pages: https://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html?nodeId=201117950." As well the amazon drivers either must know this or have been increasingly bad at delivering packages because the numbers of packages missing has gone up astronomically. Previously you would have very few packages missing, now the past 3 months I have had 59 "lost" packages. I now have over $15,000 of loses and some guy in Delaware is probably living the life with all the stuff he stole from me. I will survive, I have made a lot more than $15,000 over the years however just a warning to others here that things are not as they used to be and it really is no longer worth doing buring groups with all the loses piling up

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #1420 on: October 24, 2018, 12:48:23 PM »

Im not sure who you are or who told you what but I never hijacked USA list we had two separate groups then we merged list then when we split ways gave the buyers the option thats all
That’s not what you said in the emails back then... Either way I have nothing against you personally, I wish you much success. I’m just pointing out that you should take all this feedback to heart.

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« Reply #1421 on: October 24, 2018, 12:49:26 PM »
That’s not what you said in the emails back then... Either way I have nothing against you personally, I wish you much success. I’m just pointing out that you should take all this feedback to heart.

I appreciate all feedback and I love all feedback or criticism it helps a lot
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« Reply #1422 on: October 24, 2018, 12:50:49 PM »
I appreciate all feedback and I love all feedback or criticism it helps a lot
For one I'm glad your here, just to dispell some of those rumors I hear.
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #1423 on: October 24, 2018, 12:54:06 PM »
I’ve only bought for MYS and do so only occasionally. I’m holding off on any new purchases until the terms change.

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« Reply #1424 on: October 24, 2018, 12:54:20 PM »


Or don't do these things and manage to a lesser degree but chalk up falling values to cost of doing this kind of business. Anything but make it the buyer's problem!

Well said. Amazing how a companies that are making gobs of money, are so busy with all these petty things and screw their buyers.
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« Reply #1425 on: October 24, 2018, 12:55:34 PM »


USA's system allows them to only buy profitable items. everything before that point is, no matter who you are.

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Well said. Amazing how a companies that are making gobs of money, are so busy with all these petty things and screw their buyers.


There is no gobs of money like buyers think many things that are bought are penny margins, 2 years ago sure globs these days no globs lol
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« Reply #1427 on: October 24, 2018, 12:58:00 PM »
USA's system allows them to only buy profitable items. They broadcast when it falls and anything bought after that point isn't honored, everything before that point is, no matter who you are.
After the price drops, even the stuff bought before the price dropped become not profitable for them.
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There is no gobs of money like buyers think many things that are bought are penny margins, 2 years ago sure globs these days no globs lol

True. At this point some groups try to buy as much themselves as just the credit card points make them more than the profit they make.
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True. At this point some groups try to buy as much themselves as just the credit card points make them more than the profit they make.

Exactly
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« Reply #1430 on: October 24, 2018, 01:02:33 PM »

Incorrect
After the price drops, even the stuff bought before the price dropped become not profitable for them.
Yeah I agree, I was wrong, my bad. There is a loss sometimes. My new point is to accept it and not push it on buyers or try to minimize with some of the tactics i laid out.

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« Reply #1431 on: October 24, 2018, 01:06:31 PM »
It all comes back to the grocery example, it’s all part of the cost. If the cost of doing business is no longer justified by the profits time to close up shop. Economics 101.

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« Reply #1432 on: October 24, 2018, 01:12:19 PM »
It all comes back to the grocery example, it’s all part of the cost. If the cost of doing business is no longer justified by the profits time to close up shop. Economics 101.
Better example would be the store ordering 100kg of potatoes from a wholesaler, the wholesaler pays the farmer for the potatoes, but when he gets to the store the potatoes spoiled because of humidity. And now he expects to store to take them because he ordered them already.
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« Reply #1433 on: October 24, 2018, 01:22:18 PM »
Nope, the price of potatoes dropped, and he expects to wholesaler to drop the agreed-on price, or return it to the farmer at his cost. ps4's don't 'spoil'.

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« Reply #1434 on: October 24, 2018, 01:27:12 PM »
Nope, the price of potatoes dropped, and he expects to wholesaler to drop the agreed-on price, or return it to the farmer at his cost. ps4's don't 'spoil'.
Sorry. The price of potatoes dropped but he wanted it on Tues but the wholesaler delivered on Friday and the price of potatoes dropped on Wednesday (and on Wednesday he told the wholesaler he doesn't want them)
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« Reply #1435 on: October 24, 2018, 01:28:05 PM »
Better example would be the store ordering 100kg of potatoes from a wholesaler, the wholesaler pays the farmer for the potatoes, but when he gets to the store the potatoes spoiled because of humidity. And now he expects to store to take them because he ordered them already.
Ummm. Nobody is discussing defective items. Your part of the wrong conversation
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« Reply #1436 on: October 24, 2018, 01:29:30 PM »
Ummm. Nobody is discussing defective items. Your part of the wrong conversation
Sorry. The price of potatoes dropped but he wanted it on Tues but the wholesaler delivered on Friday and the price of potatoes dropped on Wednesday (and on Wednesday he told the wholesaler he doesn't want them)
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« Reply #1437 on: October 24, 2018, 01:30:47 PM »
Sorry. The price of potatoes dropped but he wanted it on Tues but the wholesaler delivered on Friday and the price of potatoes dropped on Wednesday (and on Wednesday he told the wholesaler he doesn't want them)
He would be right if Tuesday was the agreed delivery deadline.

That's exactly what everyone is saying, a drop-off deadline has to be posted at the time of posting the deal. Not vague terms allowing them to back out whenever they want.

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« Reply #1438 on: October 24, 2018, 01:37:21 PM »
Sorry. The price of potatoes dropped but he wanted it on Tues but the wholesaler delivered on Friday and the price of potatoes dropped on Wednesday (and on Wednesday he told the wholesaler he doesn't want them)
Nah..
It's telling a wholesaler you go get me a sack of potatoes. If the price drops I may not want it. Oh, and you suck cause I have other wholesalers. Which wholesaler would go with that?!

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« Reply #1439 on: October 24, 2018, 01:40:10 PM »

i'd like to clarify something very simple here. When we sent out the message about the ps4 it was unclear as to who what when and were. Anyone who reached out to us as we wrote and that can prove was bought before was taken off the list was accepted happily. But there have many times when the group that everyone keeps mentioning has literally turned away almost all there buyers cause they just didn't want to take the hit cause the market dropped like crazy which caused a increase in pick up and drop off off by us after there message was sent. There were those Buyers were just brining that item and not other items from the list. And if someone comes with just the item that went bad you can very simply see anyone with a head on ddf can agree that either (A) he's looking to dump or (B) he mamish only bought that item and is small time buyer who just does for the spends. Its very simple. and easy to tell.


What did the occasional buyer do wrong?
Don't you want them too?