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BEFORE SWIPING FOR SOMEONE READ THIS: (first hand story)

https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=36812.msg2062371#msg2062371
https://www.dansdeals.com/more/dans-commentary/dark-side-earning-credit-card-points-psa-dont-swipe-others/#comment-1399884


Dan's warning to DDF:
I hope people realize that any buying group or anyone else that gets merchandise in advance of payment can go south at any time. That's even if you get a check at the time of delivery.
X-posting as I don't want anyone to say that I never put a warning here.

A story that ended up in court - https://iapps.courts.state.ny.us/nyscef/DocumentList?docketId=iRcRHuyZUdOIx69D00a5XQ==&display=all&courtType=Kings%20County%20Supreme%20Court&resultsPageNum=1


I am one of the biggest buyers for buying groups, I have done millions in transactions and have sent to every group there is over the past 3 years. Most buying groups are okay, some scan in slower than others, some pay slower than others - most will lose a few packages over the year. You can research and find which are better for you.

However there is a bigger problem now with Amazon itself.  Amazon in the past has been great with any problems always ready with a refund for lost packages even if it was thousands of dollars. Lately Amazon has clamped down and has tagged these buying groups addresses  in their systems as "freight forwarder" and now no longer will fix any problem you have whatsoever. Doesn't matter what the problem is, even if it shows the package was never delivered, amazon will not help you in any way. Their copy and paste response will always be "this item was sent to a freight forwarder and we're unable to replace or refund the item. We recommend contacting your freight forwarder for more details, as we don't have any more insight or information regarding this matter, For more information about sending items via freight forwarders, please visit our Help Pages: https://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html?nodeId=201117950." As well the amazon drivers either must know this or have been increasingly bad at delivering packages because the numbers of packages missing has gone up astronomically. Previously you would have very few packages missing, now the past 3 months I have had 59 "lost" packages. I now have over $15,000 of loses and some guy in Delaware is probably living the life with all the stuff he stole from me. I will survive, I have made a lot more than $15,000 over the years however just a warning to others here that things are not as they used to be and it really is no longer worth doing buring groups with all the loses piling up

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #1440 on: October 24, 2018, 01:46:48 PM »
What did the occasional buyer do wrong?
Don't you want them too?

I have nothing against small time buyers there perfectly fine. Sorry I didn't put better punctuations in there
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #1441 on: October 24, 2018, 01:57:29 PM »
What did the occasional buyer do wrong?
Don't you want them too?
Yes but screwing them over isn’t as bad of a business decision as screwing over a big time and loyal customer is.

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« Reply #1442 on: October 24, 2018, 01:58:26 PM »
Yes but screwing them over isn’t as bad of a business decision as screwing over a big time and loyal customer is.

by MYS we treat both with same respect
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #1443 on: October 24, 2018, 01:59:10 PM »
by MYS we treat both with same respect
Then who cares if a customer is a longtime or one time customer?

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #1444 on: October 24, 2018, 02:01:45 PM »
Then who cares if a customer is a longtime or one time customer?

One time customers are fine. its just when the one time buyer shows up with just the bad item nothing else from the list and he's been signed up for the group 4 months and now when other groups refuse it he's brining that item which is $300 can't be to help him with a speeding threshold most of time its a dump
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #1445 on: October 24, 2018, 02:54:38 PM »

As LoLo said your analogy has nothing to do with this discussion
Life is as good as you make it...

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #1446 on: October 24, 2018, 03:20:14 PM »
One time customers are fine. its just when the one time buyer shows up with just the bad item nothing else from the list and he's been signed up for the group 4 months and now when other groups refuse it he's brining that item which is $300 can't be to help him with a speeding threshold most of time its a dump
Who cares if it is a dump. If you promised someone to pay for an item, you have to pay them.

Why not just kick people off your group after a certain amount of time of inactivity?

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« Reply #1447 on: October 24, 2018, 03:23:55 PM »
Who cares if it is a dump. If you promised someone to pay for an item, you have to pay them.

Why not just kick people off your group after a certain amount of time of inactivity?

we started to block portal accounts thats a way of knowing if you can't login consider were not gonna take yours
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #1448 on: October 24, 2018, 03:26:08 PM »
we started to block portal accounts thats a way of knowing if you can't login consider were not gonna take yours
Did you notify those people they were removed? Do you remove those people from your email or whatsapp lists?

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« Reply #1449 on: October 24, 2018, 03:34:06 PM »
Did you notify those people they were removed? Do you remove those people from your email or whatsapp lists?

Yes they would get a email saying they are disabled if they think it was a mistake that they were disabled they reach out
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« Reply #1450 on: October 24, 2018, 03:47:21 PM »
Yes they would get a email saying they are disabled if they think it was a mistake that they were disabled they reach out
So why the whole hullabaloo? If you're a group member, your merch gets accepted, if not, not. Dumping, other buying groups or your mother in law's feelings regarding the noise level at chasunas need not be mentioned.

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #1451 on: October 24, 2018, 04:02:30 PM »
One time customers are fine. its just when the one time buyer shows up with just the bad item nothing else from the list and he's been signed up for the group 4 months and now when other groups refuse it he's brining that item which is $300 can't be to help him with a speeding threshold most of time its a dump
@Mark what you don't seem to be understanding is that there are tons of people that take a break for two months if life gets busy or only buy when commissions and cashback total X amount, or when they sign up for a CC.

What are you doing to keep these people confident that anything they buy on the most current list will be taken?

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« Reply #1452 on: October 24, 2018, 04:03:39 PM »
@Mark what you don't seem to be understanding is that there are tons of people that take a break for two months if life gets busy or only buy when commissions and cashback total X amount, or when they sign up for a CC.

What are you doing to keep these people confident that anything they buy on the most current list will be taken?

I am very well aware of those people and know who most are if they can log in to there portal account then they are in good standing
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #1453 on: October 24, 2018, 04:55:05 PM »
by MYS we treat both with same respect
I only buy for places that treat big time buyers with more respect than occasional ones, personally
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« Reply #1454 on: October 24, 2018, 05:00:12 PM »
I am very well aware of those people and know who most are if they can log in to there portal account then they are in good standing
So this is your new policy?

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« Reply #1455 on: October 24, 2018, 05:06:35 PM »
So why not say that in the email? "Make sure you are able to log in before buying" instead of this vague mess.

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« Reply #1456 on: October 24, 2018, 06:17:35 PM »
So why not say that in the email? "Make sure you are able to log in before buying" instead of this vague mess.
He implied above you are removed from email lists if your account is disabled. If not, if say not accepting products is borderline theft.

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« Reply #1457 on: October 24, 2018, 06:31:19 PM »
Yes they would get a email saying they are disabled if they think it was a mistake that they were disabled they reach out
He implied above you are removed from email lists if your account is disabled. If not, if say not accepting products is borderline theft.
After signing up with MYS and not buying anything after 5 weeks, I got a text message saying that my account was disabled. I still get all the emails though (3 months later).

Earlier today I tried logging in to check out the portal, and after multiple failed login attempts, I got an email that my account is NOW disabled due to the incorrect logins.
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« Reply #1458 on: October 24, 2018, 07:11:55 PM »
So why the whole hullabaloo? If you're a group member, your merch gets accepted, if not, not. Dumping, other buying groups or your mother in law's feelings regarding the noise level at chasunas need not be mentioned.
Sums up all this stupidity quite well!

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« Reply #1459 on: October 24, 2018, 07:24:19 PM »
P.S. I can gaurantee AI or QB would not force a guy to return something, if it's a guy that comes even once every couple months.

Exactly.