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BEFORE SWIPING FOR SOMEONE READ THIS: (first hand story)

https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=36812.msg2062371#msg2062371
https://www.dansdeals.com/more/dans-commentary/dark-side-earning-credit-card-points-psa-dont-swipe-others/#comment-1399884


Dan's warning to DDF:
I hope people realize that any buying group or anyone else that gets merchandise in advance of payment can go south at any time. That's even if you get a check at the time of delivery.
X-posting as I don't want anyone to say that I never put a warning here.

A story that ended up in court - https://iapps.courts.state.ny.us/nyscef/DocumentList?docketId=iRcRHuyZUdOIx69D00a5XQ==&display=all&courtType=Kings%20County%20Supreme%20Court&resultsPageNum=1


I am one of the biggest buyers for buying groups, I have done millions in transactions and have sent to every group there is over the past 3 years. Most buying groups are okay, some scan in slower than others, some pay slower than others - most will lose a few packages over the year. You can research and find which are better for you.

However there is a bigger problem now with Amazon itself.  Amazon in the past has been great with any problems always ready with a refund for lost packages even if it was thousands of dollars. Lately Amazon has clamped down and has tagged these buying groups addresses  in their systems as "freight forwarder" and now no longer will fix any problem you have whatsoever. Doesn't matter what the problem is, even if it shows the package was never delivered, amazon will not help you in any way. Their copy and paste response will always be "this item was sent to a freight forwarder and we're unable to replace or refund the item. We recommend contacting your freight forwarder for more details, as we don't have any more insight or information regarding this matter, For more information about sending items via freight forwarders, please visit our Help Pages: https://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html?nodeId=201117950." As well the amazon drivers either must know this or have been increasingly bad at delivering packages because the numbers of packages missing has gone up astronomically. Previously you would have very few packages missing, now the past 3 months I have had 59 "lost" packages. I now have over $15,000 of loses and some guy in Delaware is probably living the life with all the stuff he stole from me. I will survive, I have made a lot more than $15,000 over the years however just a warning to others here that things are not as they used to be and it really is no longer worth doing buring groups with all the loses piling up

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #1480 on: November 01, 2018, 12:36:50 AM »
Why not? unless you're not sure of the details you posted here.

I tried convincing someone today not to do this, he might want to go to that same person, posting details can help a lot of people.

I don’t believe he is signing up new people now

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #1481 on: November 01, 2018, 01:55:02 AM »
No one should be doing this ever, period. There are no good players in this arena

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #1482 on: November 01, 2018, 06:53:50 PM »
I don’t believe he is signing up new people now


Seriously ? Either you know it’s 100% someone who scammed people. Or you are not sure

What we know is that you are not sure if he is still signing people up. You just don’t think he is.

Share the name if you are 100% sure
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #1483 on: November 01, 2018, 07:04:38 PM »
There are no good players in this arena
Eh.
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #1484 on: November 02, 2018, 12:12:59 AM »
I don’t usually share PM’s but I think this one ought to be an exception:

“You have just been sent a personal message by ..... on DansDeals.com Forums.

IMPORTANT: Remember, this is just a notification. Please do not reply to this email.

The message they sent you was:

"Heard from someone whose close relative just found out"   "The person I spoke with claimed" your such a nosy lakewood judgmental yenta the way you talk  you didnt have to even write your location i  could tell write away.  and of course you follow up by saying " i cant say the name"   typical lakewood YENTA.. instead of posting this story on a public forum berabim in which will have more people talking about it  how about we try to raise enough money to help this person who got carried away and was nichshal in geniva rachmana litzlan and quietly help him pay back whatever he owes.   instead of being modiah people on dansdeals forums   that live in cleveland or la.and have no shaychus to lakewood  YOU BOZO HEAD raging idiot”
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #1485 on: November 02, 2018, 12:15:16 AM »
I don’t usually share PM’s but I think this one ought to be an exception:

“You have just been sent a personal message by ... on DansDeals.com Forums.

IMPORTANT: Remember, this is just a notification. Please do not reply to this email.

The message they sent you was:

"Heard from someone whose close relative just found out"   "The person I spoke with claimed" your such a nosy lakewood judgmental yenta the way you talk  you didnt have to even write your location i  could tell write away.  and of course you follow up by saying " i cant say the name"   typical lakewood YENTA.. instead of posting this story on a public forum berabim in which will have more people talking about it  how about we try to raise enough money to help this person who got carried away and was nichshal in geniva rachmana litzlan and quietly help him pay back whatever he owes.   instead of being modiah people on dansdeals forums   that live in cleveland or la.and have no shaychus to lakewood  YOU BOZO HEAD raging idiot”

And its friday...
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PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #1486 on: November 02, 2018, 12:20:13 AM »
"JS [is] a fetid cesspool of unvarnished linguistic manure, with lots of useless drivel and post-padding." -Moishebatchy

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #1487 on: November 02, 2018, 12:34:58 AM »
I don’t usually share PM’s but I think this one ought to be an exception:

“You have just been sent a personal message by ... on DansDeals.com Forums.

IMPORTANT: Remember, this is just a notification. Please do not reply to this email.

The message they sent you was:

"Heard from someone whose close relative just found out"   "The person I spoke with claimed" your such a nosy lakewood judgmental yenta the way you talk  you didnt have to even write your location i  could tell write away.  and of course you follow up by saying " i cant say the name"   typical lakewood YENTA.. instead of posting this story on a public forum berabim in which will have more people talking about it  how about we try to raise enough money to help this person who got carried away and was nichshal in geniva rachmana litzlan and quietly help him pay back whatever he owes.   instead of being modiah people on dansdeals forums   that live in cleveland or la.and have no shaychus to lakewood  YOU BOZO HEAD raging idiot”

So you are hesitant to write the name of someone who put someone who can't afford it in debt that they have no way of paying but have no issue making someone who wrote am insulting PM?
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #1488 on: November 02, 2018, 12:43:35 AM »
So you are hesitant to write the name of someone who put someone who can't afford it in debt that they have no way of paying but have no issue making someone who wrote am insulting PM?
Sounds to me like cmey doesn't know all the deets of the story and therefore is hesitant to say a name. Makes sense to me. This pesach guy is a straight up douce bag and everyone can now see that.

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #1489 on: November 02, 2018, 12:45:12 AM »
I don’t usually share PM’s but I think this one ought to be an exception:

“You have just been sent a personal message by .... on DansDeals.com Forums.

IMPORTANT: Remember, this is just a notification. Please do not reply to this email.

The message they sent you was:

"Heard from someone whose close relative just found out"   "The person I spoke with claimed" your such a nosy lakewood judgmental yenta the way you talk  you didnt have to even write your location i  could tell write away.  and of course you follow up by saying " i cant say the name"   typical lakewood YENTA.. instead of posting this story on a public forum berabim in which will have more people talking about it  how about we try to raise enough money to help this person who got carried away and was nichshal in geniva rachmana litzlan and quietly help him pay back whatever he owes.   instead of being modiah people on dansdeals forums   that live in cleveland or la.and have no shaychus to lakewood  YOU BOZO HEAD raging idiot”
I'm assuming you left the name in by mistake. I think you should take it out.
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #1490 on: November 02, 2018, 12:56:57 AM »
So you are hesitant to write the name of someone who put someone who can't afford it in debt that they have no way of paying but have no issue making someone who wrote am insulting PM?

I know one side of a story. The person I heard it from has my trust and respect, and there seem to be multiple people who are impacted, but at the end of the day it’s one side of a story. And I can’t say I’ve heard every last detail. It’s wrong to put someone’s name out there under those circumstances. It’s the right thing to bring it to peoples attention to warn others who are considering taking part in one of these schemes out of desperation or naïveté, letting them know that they really are risking their credit and assets by participating. That is the reason this thread was started long ago.

I’ve received some really funny and  bizarre spoonfeeding requests etc. via PM in the past but I respected the expectation that the PM was just that and didn’t share it. This PM, however, was completely uncalled for, an abuse of the PM function, and didn’t deserve the anonymity that I would usually respect in a PM. I would not post someones real name; it’s his DDF username. I will remove from the original post. If it identifies him by real name to anyone I will definitely ask mods to remove from the posts that quoted his DDF username...
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #1491 on: November 02, 2018, 09:37:36 AM »
So you are hesitant to write the name of someone who put someone who can't afford it in debt that they have no way of paying but have no issue making someone who wrote am insulting PM?
Oh please. It's an anonymous forum, and we're not talking a well known user here. If someone is going to hide behind the anonymity of the internet to send nasty messages, I see no issue showing the message/user. It's not at all the same as exposing someones real name.

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #1492 on: November 02, 2018, 09:44:16 AM »
Oh please. It's an anonymous forum, and we're not talking a well known user here. If someone is going to hide behind the anonymity of the internet to send nasty messages, I see no issue showing the message/user. It's not at all the same as exposing someones real name.
There is a very distinct possibility that there are many here who know the person behind the name. Just about anyone who knows me personally and is on DDF knows who i am.
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #1493 on: November 02, 2018, 09:52:14 AM »
There is a very distinct possibility that there are many here who know the person behind the name. Just about anyone who knows me personally and is on DDF knows who i am.
And because of that, you know not to post stupidity like that guy did, because you don't have true anonymity here. If someone knows that people on DDF know who they really are, they might be more exacting in what they put out here - a good thing IMO.

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #1494 on: November 02, 2018, 09:53:26 AM »
And because of that, you know not to post stupidity like that, because you don't have true anonymity here. If someone knows that people on DDF know who they really are, they might be more exacting in what they put out here - a good thing IMO.
it was a PM
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #1495 on: November 02, 2018, 09:57:28 AM »
We've had this discussion before, PM's should not be shared in the name of the one who sent it unless the sender says it's ok. Full stop.
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #1496 on: November 02, 2018, 10:03:19 AM »
it was a PM
Like that changes anything? Basically, you're saying that someone who is known on the forums should feel comfortable sending hateful messages via PM because at least the person they're sending it to doesn't know who they are, so in that way they can remain anonymous.

We've had this discussion before, PM's should not be shared in the name of the one who sent it unless the sender says it's ok. Full stop.
Maybe you've had that conversation, but that doesn't make the matter settled. In fact, that position is exceedingly silly. I'm under no obligation to keep your messages private, just because you sent it to me only. To put it more clearly, the fact that one member messages the other out of the blue does not create any sort of obligation of privacy. There's an expectation of privacy in most reasonable matters, but I would say this is clearly not a reasonable matter.

Let's just take this to the extreme. If someone tries to extort me through PM, should I respect their privacy? If they send me links to filth, should I respect their privacy? If they're trying to scam - or even just spam - me, should I respect their privacy?

I'll give you a simple rule for PM's. If you're sending a PM to someone that's adversarial in nature, don't expect it to stay private. Why should they feel an obligation to your privacy while you call them a "BOZO HEAD raging idiot”?

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #1497 on: November 02, 2018, 10:05:22 AM »
I'll be honest, if that PM was satire it would be funny.
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #1498 on: November 02, 2018, 10:07:10 AM »
So you are hesitant to write the name of someone who put someone who can't afford it in debt that they have no way of paying but have no issue making someone who wrote am insulting PM?
BTW, your quote of his post still has the name. Maybe you should live up to your own advice and edit it.

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #1499 on: November 02, 2018, 10:09:12 AM »
BTW, your quote of his post still has the name. Maybe you should live up to your own advice and edit it.
You are right. That was carelessness on my part. Unfortunately, I am not longer able to edit it. I will request it from the mods.
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