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https://www.dansdeals.com/more/dans-commentary/dark-side-earning-credit-card-points-psa-dont-swipe-others/

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http://podcast.headlinesbook.com/e/31616-credit-card-miles-and-points-swiping-for-rewards-buying-and-selling-miles-is-it-assur-and-a-chillul-hashem-or-a-great-way-for-a-side-parnassah/



BEFORE SWIPING FOR SOMEONE READ THIS: (first hand story)

https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=36812.msg2062371#msg2062371
https://www.dansdeals.com/more/dans-commentary/dark-side-earning-credit-card-points-psa-dont-swipe-others/#comment-1399884


Dan's warning to DDF:
I hope people realize that any buying group or anyone else that gets merchandise in advance of payment can go south at any time. That's even if you get a check at the time of delivery.
X-posting as I don't want anyone to say that I never put a warning here.

A story that ended up in court - https://iapps.courts.state.ny.us/nyscef/DocumentList?docketId=iRcRHuyZUdOIx69D00a5XQ==&display=all&courtType=Kings%20County%20Supreme%20Court&resultsPageNum=1


I am one of the biggest buyers for buying groups, I have done millions in transactions and have sent to every group there is over the past 3 years. Most buying groups are okay, some scan in slower than others, some pay slower than others - most will lose a few packages over the year. You can research and find which are better for you.

However there is a bigger problem now with Amazon itself.  Amazon in the past has been great with any problems always ready with a refund for lost packages even if it was thousands of dollars. Lately Amazon has clamped down and has tagged these buying groups addresses  in their systems as "freight forwarder" and now no longer will fix any problem you have whatsoever. Doesn't matter what the problem is, even if it shows the package was never delivered, amazon will not help you in any way. Their copy and paste response will always be "this item was sent to a freight forwarder and we're unable to replace or refund the item. We recommend contacting your freight forwarder for more details, as we don't have any more insight or information regarding this matter, For more information about sending items via freight forwarders, please visit our Help Pages: https://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html?nodeId=201117950." As well the amazon drivers either must know this or have been increasingly bad at delivering packages because the numbers of packages missing has gone up astronomically. Previously you would have very few packages missing, now the past 3 months I have had 59 "lost" packages. I now have over $15,000 of loses and some guy in Delaware is probably living the life with all the stuff he stole from me. I will survive, I have made a lot more than $15,000 over the years however just a warning to others here that things are not as they used to be and it really is no longer worth doing buring groups with all the loses piling up

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #1580 on: December 31, 2018, 10:20:37 AM »
Another disaster waiting to happen. People never learn.

Let’s rephrase this: “We use the card monthly. We pay the bills- until we don’t and you get stuck with 100k in credit card debt accross you and your spouses cards. Then you call up the askanim and cry why didn’t anyone spread the word about the danger of doing this?”

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #1581 on: December 31, 2018, 10:56:37 AM »
Another disaster waiting to happen. People never learn.

Let’s rephrase this: “We use the card monthly. We pay the bills- until we don’t and you get stuck with 100k in credit card debt accross you and your spouses cards. Then you call up the askanim and cry why didn’t anyone spread the word about the danger of doing this?”



very scary

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #1582 on: December 31, 2018, 08:35:44 PM »
Another disaster waiting to happen. People never learn.

Let’s rephrase this: “We use the card monthly. We pay the bills- until we don’t and you get stuck with 100k in credit card debt accross you and your spouses cards. Then you call up the askanim and cry why didn’t anyone spread the word about the danger of doing this?”
Hmmm any DP's on any of the "hundred's of satisfied customers"?

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #1583 on: December 31, 2018, 08:48:04 PM »
Another disaster waiting to happen. People never learn.

Let’s rephrase this: “We use the card monthly. We pay the bills- until we don’t and you get stuck with 100k in credit card debt accross you and your spouses cards. Then you call up the askanim and cry why didn’t anyone spread the word about the danger of doing this?”
Are they targeting the Chase Ink,and PRG for the bonus categories? Or for another reason?
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #1584 on: December 31, 2018, 10:40:12 PM »
Are they targeting the Chase Ink,and PRG for the bonus categories? Or for another reason?
What other reason could there be?
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #1585 on: January 21, 2019, 10:48:04 PM »
Why'd he delete his post?

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #1586 on: January 21, 2019, 10:51:13 PM »
Why'd he delete his post?

Realized it's lashon hara. It won't help anyone involved and will just cause more gossip. If you read this thread you already know to not do this type of reckless spend

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #1587 on: January 22, 2019, 10:40:04 AM »
Realized it's lashon hara. It won't help anyone involved and will just cause more gossip. If you read this thread you already know to not do this type of reckless spend
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #1588 on: January 22, 2019, 11:00:22 AM »
What are some of the best buying groups? Other than PFS coin group
MYSbuyinggroup.com is good

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #1589 on: January 22, 2019, 05:32:13 PM »
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adverb: defiantly

    in a manner that shows open resistance or bold disobedience.
    "he defiantly refused to accept any government money"

I think he meant
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adverb: definitely

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    antonyms:   possibly
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I pay $60 a year for Grammarly, how could he not?!

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #1590 on: January 22, 2019, 05:35:19 PM »
This is the message he supposedly sent to all his people (victims?)

G**** N****** 646*******
I’m confused.... this is this guy?? 👇
Another disaster waiting to happen. People never learn.

Let’s rephrase this: “We use the card monthly. We pay the bills- until we don’t and you get stuck with 100k in credit card debt accross you and your spouses cards. Then you call up the askanim and cry why didn’t anyone spread the word about the danger of doing this?”



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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #1591 on: January 22, 2019, 05:36:41 PM »
I think he meant I pay $60 a year for Grammarly, how could he not?!
My daughter has been using it for 2 years, very helpful .
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #1592 on: January 22, 2019, 05:36:54 PM »
This is the message he supposedly sent to all his people (victims?)

[snip]

What an epic, unmitigated disaster.  I feel terrible for those affected.

Though its not worth much, I do appreciate that at least he is attempting to maintain communication, and while his email does seem to address most FAQs, it would have been beneficial had it been given a once-over by someone whose first language was English.

Odds that these folks see 100% on their money (or something even close to that) is not high... especially considering the e-mail makes it clear that they took the initial monies to recover from previous bad investments and let the situation compound.  I don't want to say it, but seems like something that rhymes with fonzee.
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #1593 on: January 22, 2019, 05:38:43 PM »
What an epic, unmitigated disaster.  I feel terrible for those affected.
Also not a chance in hell they will see that money again.

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #1594 on: January 22, 2019, 05:39:28 PM »
I’m confused.... this is this guy?? 👇
I really do not understand how people fall for this. I guess it is a combination of greed and ignorance, where is the risk/reward in this? These are all planned scams .
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #1595 on: January 22, 2019, 05:40:51 PM »
I really do not understand how people fall for this. I guess it is a combination of greed and ignorance, where is the risk/reward in this? These are all planned scams .
People are desperate, and believe all frum Jews don’t steal. Considering that many do, it’s a big problem.

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #1596 on: January 22, 2019, 05:41:27 PM »
This story is so sad. Just plain uneducated "businessmen".

They don't have a bad bone in their bodies, they just couldn't run numbers.

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #1597 on: January 22, 2019, 05:43:31 PM »
These are all planned scams .
He doesn't even hide that part.
 

At the beginning the money was to help us get through a couple of bad investment deals.

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #1598 on: January 22, 2019, 05:44:13 PM »
This story is so sad. Just plain uneducated "businessmen".

They don't have a bad bone in their bodies, they just couldn't run numbers.
Where did the money go? What business did they run? Sorry, not familiar with the situation!!
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #1599 on: January 22, 2019, 05:44:56 PM »
He doesn't even hide that part.
 

Wrong. They bought a failing business and sunk lots of cash into it. And they were being advised by very competent "accountants" in our community.