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https://www.dansdeals.com/more/dans-commentary/dark-side-earning-credit-card-points-psa-dont-swipe-others/

https://www.mixcloud.com/zev-brenner/talkline-with-zev-brenner-on-credit-card-scams-affecting-the-orthodox-jewish-community/

http://podcast.headlinesbook.com/e/31616-credit-card-miles-and-points-swiping-for-rewards-buying-and-selling-miles-is-it-assur-and-a-chillul-hashem-or-a-great-way-for-a-side-parnassah/



BEFORE SWIPING FOR SOMEONE READ THIS: (first hand story)

https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=36812.msg2062371#msg2062371
https://www.dansdeals.com/more/dans-commentary/dark-side-earning-credit-card-points-psa-dont-swipe-others/#comment-1399884


Dan's warning to DDF:
I hope people realize that any buying group or anyone else that gets merchandise in advance of payment can go south at any time. That's even if you get a check at the time of delivery.
X-posting as I don't want anyone to say that I never put a warning here.

A story that ended up in court - https://iapps.courts.state.ny.us/nyscef/DocumentList?docketId=iRcRHuyZUdOIx69D00a5XQ==&display=all&courtType=Kings%20County%20Supreme%20Court&resultsPageNum=1


I am one of the biggest buyers for buying groups, I have done millions in transactions and have sent to every group there is over the past 3 years. Most buying groups are okay, some scan in slower than others, some pay slower than others - most will lose a few packages over the year. You can research and find which are better for you.

However there is a bigger problem now with Amazon itself.  Amazon in the past has been great with any problems always ready with a refund for lost packages even if it was thousands of dollars. Lately Amazon has clamped down and has tagged these buying groups addresses  in their systems as "freight forwarder" and now no longer will fix any problem you have whatsoever. Doesn't matter what the problem is, even if it shows the package was never delivered, amazon will not help you in any way. Their copy and paste response will always be "this item was sent to a freight forwarder and we're unable to replace or refund the item. We recommend contacting your freight forwarder for more details, as we don't have any more insight or information regarding this matter, For more information about sending items via freight forwarders, please visit our Help Pages: https://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html?nodeId=201117950." As well the amazon drivers either must know this or have been increasingly bad at delivering packages because the numbers of packages missing has gone up astronomically. Previously you would have very few packages missing, now the past 3 months I have had 59 "lost" packages. I now have over $15,000 of loses and some guy in Delaware is probably living the life with all the stuff he stole from me. I will survive, I have made a lot more than $15,000 over the years however just a warning to others here that things are not as they used to be and it really is no longer worth doing buring groups with all the loses piling up

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #2060 on: February 14, 2019, 09:09:18 AM »
over $100K.... I’m not sure if he ever got paid or its his 1st time but I know plenty of people that have done this the past 2 3 years in this same place and got paid....

seems like it wasnt a scam...
just that the business went downhill
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #2061 on: February 14, 2019, 11:14:47 AM »
seems like it wasnt a scam...
just that the business went downhill

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #2062 on: February 14, 2019, 12:16:30 PM »
Which business is this one?
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #2063 on: February 14, 2019, 12:25:48 PM »
so whats the latest with the 12-20 million dollar scam ?
any more info ?
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #2064 on: February 14, 2019, 05:49:36 PM »
Psa. Sterling is closing up shop. Shelves are being emptied out
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #2065 on: February 14, 2019, 05:51:38 PM »
Psa. Sterling is closing up shop. Shelves are being emptied out
Sterling Silver?
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #2066 on: February 14, 2019, 06:02:20 PM »
Sterling Silver?
Probably means Sterling Electronics
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #2067 on: February 14, 2019, 11:07:42 PM »
Psa. Sterling is closing up shop. Shelves are being emptied out

Nebach.

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #2068 on: February 15, 2019, 12:29:25 AM »
so whats the latest with the 12-20 million dollar scam ?
any more info ?
From what I heard what happened to a few of them was that there cc processing company opened an investigation and is holding a lot of money which caused them to blow
Not that there original business model was great but this was the final blow

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #2069 on: February 15, 2019, 12:32:43 AM »
From what I heard what happened to a few of them was that there cc processing company opened an investigation and is holding a lot of money which caused them to blow
Not that there original business model was great but this was the final blow
and now it's over? , they are defaulting on paying?
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #2070 on: February 15, 2019, 12:42:45 AM »
and now it's over? , they are defaulting on paying?
they are planning to restructure and maybe sell some assets

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #2071 on: February 15, 2019, 12:45:24 AM »
they are planning to restructure and maybe sell some assets
have they defaulted on anyone yet?
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #2072 on: February 15, 2019, 09:46:28 AM »
they are planning to restructure and maybe sell some assets

You referring to Sterling or the $12-20 mil, two different stories?

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #2073 on: February 16, 2019, 08:22:37 PM »
and now it's over? , they are defaulting on paying?
yes they missed due dates,
And kinda told ppl they can't dispute, cuz they got the prof that it's legit charges
What's your plan for yud shvat?

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #2074 on: February 16, 2019, 09:07:40 PM »
Do they have a heter iska and are they paying the interest ?
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #2075 on: February 16, 2019, 09:23:33 PM »
Do they have a heter iska and are they paying the interest ?

Wrong thread

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #2076 on: February 16, 2019, 09:30:34 PM »
Do they have a heter iska and are they paying the interest ?
who cares about the interest, they not paying principal.....
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #2077 on: February 16, 2019, 09:30:52 PM »
Wrong thread

Not exactly
Are they paying the interest or are they screwing everyone
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #2078 on: February 16, 2019, 09:31:25 PM »
who cares about the interest, they not paying principal.....

Maybe they are paying the principal late ?
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #2079 on: February 16, 2019, 09:33:33 PM »
Maybe they are paying the principal late ?
at this stage, they most likely not paying anything
"the money is gone"
What's your plan for yud shvat?