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https://www.dansdeals.com/more/dans-commentary/dark-side-earning-credit-card-points-psa-dont-swipe-others/

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http://podcast.headlinesbook.com/e/31616-credit-card-miles-and-points-swiping-for-rewards-buying-and-selling-miles-is-it-assur-and-a-chillul-hashem-or-a-great-way-for-a-side-parnassah/



BEFORE SWIPING FOR SOMEONE READ THIS: (first hand story)

https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=36812.msg2062371#msg2062371
https://www.dansdeals.com/more/dans-commentary/dark-side-earning-credit-card-points-psa-dont-swipe-others/#comment-1399884


Dan's warning to DDF:
I hope people realize that any buying group or anyone else that gets merchandise in advance of payment can go south at any time. That's even if you get a check at the time of delivery.
X-posting as I don't want anyone to say that I never put a warning here.

A story that ended up in court - https://iapps.courts.state.ny.us/nyscef/DocumentList?docketId=iRcRHuyZUdOIx69D00a5XQ==&display=all&courtType=Kings%20County%20Supreme%20Court&resultsPageNum=1


I am one of the biggest buyers for buying groups, I have done millions in transactions and have sent to every group there is over the past 3 years. Most buying groups are okay, some scan in slower than others, some pay slower than others - most will lose a few packages over the year. You can research and find which are better for you.

However there is a bigger problem now with Amazon itself.  Amazon in the past has been great with any problems always ready with a refund for lost packages even if it was thousands of dollars. Lately Amazon has clamped down and has tagged these buying groups addresses  in their systems as "freight forwarder" and now no longer will fix any problem you have whatsoever. Doesn't matter what the problem is, even if it shows the package was never delivered, amazon will not help you in any way. Their copy and paste response will always be "this item was sent to a freight forwarder and we're unable to replace or refund the item. We recommend contacting your freight forwarder for more details, as we don't have any more insight or information regarding this matter, For more information about sending items via freight forwarders, please visit our Help Pages: https://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html?nodeId=201117950." As well the amazon drivers either must know this or have been increasingly bad at delivering packages because the numbers of packages missing has gone up astronomically. Previously you would have very few packages missing, now the past 3 months I have had 59 "lost" packages. I now have over $15,000 of loses and some guy in Delaware is probably living the life with all the stuff he stole from me. I will survive, I have made a lot more than $15,000 over the years however just a warning to others here that things are not as they used to be and it really is no longer worth doing buring groups with all the loses piling up

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #2661 on: February 26, 2019, 05:58:07 AM »
Sounds like a movie

Unfortunately it’s peoples lives

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #2663 on: February 26, 2019, 07:08:45 AM »
Here is a little update. Did alot more digging recently. The whole story about S**** Credit card processor getting frozen is a lie. He just decided that he had enough of the Ponzi scheme and didn't want continue this, and decided to bust out. He's still doing sales and, his processor is doing just fine. Hes sitting on millions of dollars of inventory that he continues to sell on Amazon. his store name on Amazon is Super deal ( wonder if there is a way to alert Amazon about what he did)
And just using whatever money he can get his hands on to retain legal help to cover himself. In addition he used people cards without permission
How does he sell Fitbit?
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #2665 on: February 26, 2019, 07:41:00 AM »
Mr. P is a great guy. A real baal chesed.  I know firsthand a few people he helped free of charge.
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« Reply #2666 on: February 26, 2019, 07:41:42 AM »
No idea. This is the link to his store. https://www.amazon.com/s?i=merchant-items&me=A3ACUPJ4C2HX16

Why doesn’t everyone write bad reviews and mess up his amazon account
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #2667 on: February 26, 2019, 07:42:30 AM »
I've been waiting over 5 years with bated breath for someone to say that!
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #2668 on: February 26, 2019, 07:44:13 AM »
Why doesn’t everyone write bad reviews and mess up his amazon account
And what is the Chief RABBI of NY's Halachic justification for this? Let alone any logical reasoning.
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #2669 on: February 26, 2019, 07:48:07 AM »
Most people swiping had no clue there was any risk at all.
This has been said before and I think it's so true.

People don't know their are risks, or are too trusting or don't think about what they would do if things went wrong.

And while I don't think everyone who was/is part of things like this has a gambling problem - I do think people need a lesson in what it means to not bet more than you can afford to lose.
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #2670 on: February 26, 2019, 08:56:31 AM »
And what is the Chief RABBI of NY's Halachic justification for this? Let alone any logical reasoning.

so its ok to sell stolen goods ?
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #2671 on: February 26, 2019, 08:57:22 AM »
so its ok to sell stolen goods ?
Two wrongs make a right?

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #2672 on: February 26, 2019, 09:13:15 AM »
Why doesn’t everyone write bad reviews and mess up his amazon account
How exactly would that help anybody see their money back?

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #2673 on: February 26, 2019, 09:19:40 AM »
so its ok to sell stolen goods ?
What you suggested isn’t even a case of אדם עושה דין לעצמו. Sounds more like נקמה.
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #2674 on: February 26, 2019, 09:39:05 AM »
Someone needs to call or email all the weekly publications that go around Brooklyn and Lakewood that contain advertisements for  CC farms or CC swiping and tell them to stop allowing those advertisements. (unless those publications are owned by the farms themselves...) This is destroying people's lives and needs to end.

Even better, place full page ads in these publications warning people of the dangers.
I am happy to contribute if someone want to start a collection to runs Dan's article in all the big (and small) Jewish papers.

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #2675 on: February 26, 2019, 09:49:50 AM »
I've had some people reach out to me via PM requesting info. I've tried to respond but got "mailbox full". So if you reached out to me for info and haven't received a response, reach out again with an alternative method to respond (email, text, whatsapp, etc).

On a side note, question for mods: does this thread set the record for new usernames created as a result?
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #2676 on: February 26, 2019, 09:51:50 AM »
http://tranmedia.com/ite/why-choose-us.htm

Apparently they know all the loopholes and are super aggressive.
Off topic. They're called transmedia but their website is tranmedia?
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #2677 on: February 26, 2019, 10:04:23 AM »
I've had some people reach out to me via PM requesting info. I've tried to respond but got "mailbox full". So if you reached out to me for info and haven't received a response, reach out again with an alternative method to respond (email, text, whatsapp, etc).

On a side note, question for mods: does this thread set the record for new usernames created as a result?

I think new users can't get PMs until their post count is above a certain number

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #2678 on: February 26, 2019, 10:48:24 AM »
I think new users can't get PMs until their post count is above a certain number

If that is the case, maybe admin can allow in this instance for those that have reached out via pm

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #2679 on: February 26, 2019, 11:26:36 AM »
I've had some people reach out to me via PM requesting info. I've tried to respond but got "mailbox full". So if you reached out to me for info and haven't received a response, reach out again with an alternative method to respond (email, text, whatsapp, etc).

On a side note, question for mods: does this thread set the record for new usernames created as a result?
Info on what?