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https://www.dansdeals.com/more/dans-commentary/dark-side-earning-credit-card-points-psa-dont-swipe-others/

https://www.mixcloud.com/zev-brenner/talkline-with-zev-brenner-on-credit-card-scams-affecting-the-orthodox-jewish-community/

http://podcast.headlinesbook.com/e/31616-credit-card-miles-and-points-swiping-for-rewards-buying-and-selling-miles-is-it-assur-and-a-chillul-hashem-or-a-great-way-for-a-side-parnassah/



BEFORE SWIPING FOR SOMEONE READ THIS: (first hand story)

https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=36812.msg2062371#msg2062371
https://www.dansdeals.com/more/dans-commentary/dark-side-earning-credit-card-points-psa-dont-swipe-others/#comment-1399884


Dan's warning to DDF:
I hope people realize that any buying group or anyone else that gets merchandise in advance of payment can go south at any time. That's even if you get a check at the time of delivery.
X-posting as I don't want anyone to say that I never put a warning here.

A story that ended up in court - https://iapps.courts.state.ny.us/nyscef/DocumentList?docketId=iRcRHuyZUdOIx69D00a5XQ==&display=all&courtType=Kings%20County%20Supreme%20Court&resultsPageNum=1


I am one of the biggest buyers for buying groups, I have done millions in transactions and have sent to every group there is over the past 3 years. Most buying groups are okay, some scan in slower than others, some pay slower than others - most will lose a few packages over the year. You can research and find which are better for you.

However there is a bigger problem now with Amazon itself.  Amazon in the past has been great with any problems always ready with a refund for lost packages even if it was thousands of dollars. Lately Amazon has clamped down and has tagged these buying groups addresses  in their systems as "freight forwarder" and now no longer will fix any problem you have whatsoever. Doesn't matter what the problem is, even if it shows the package was never delivered, amazon will not help you in any way. Their copy and paste response will always be "this item was sent to a freight forwarder and we're unable to replace or refund the item. We recommend contacting your freight forwarder for more details, as we don't have any more insight or information regarding this matter, For more information about sending items via freight forwarders, please visit our Help Pages: https://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html?nodeId=201117950." As well the amazon drivers either must know this or have been increasingly bad at delivering packages because the numbers of packages missing has gone up astronomically. Previously you would have very few packages missing, now the past 3 months I have had 59 "lost" packages. I now have over $15,000 of loses and some guy in Delaware is probably living the life with all the stuff he stole from me. I will survive, I have made a lot more than $15,000 over the years however just a warning to others here that things are not as they used to be and it really is no longer worth doing buring groups with all the loses piling up

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #2740 on: February 26, 2019, 07:52:06 PM »
Yup, looks like they corrected it.

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #2741 on: February 26, 2019, 08:07:33 PM »
It says from DansDeals on the top now. Not sure what it said before.
It said nothing

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #2742 on: February 26, 2019, 08:25:00 PM »

They didn't copy all the comments.They picked a few that emphasize or add to the main post.
My favorite cause: cssy.org

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #2743 on: February 26, 2019, 10:08:08 PM »
Uh, no, that's not how this works.

I'm not defending ywn, just pointing that out.

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #2744 on: February 26, 2019, 10:08:39 PM »
Should we start a wiki
Didn’t get scammed
Got scammed under 50k
Between 50k-100k
100-200
200+
Show Some Respect for Me, I am The Chief Rabbi of New York :)

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #2745 on: February 26, 2019, 10:22:49 PM »
Should we start a wiki
Didn’t get scammed
Got scammed under 50k
Between 50k-100k
100-200
200+
What would be the point? We know many got scammed, and many for a lot of money. Does it matter how many readers here specifically were scammed?

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #2746 on: February 26, 2019, 10:28:23 PM »
What would be the point? We know many got scammed, and many for a lot of money. Does it matter how many readers here specifically were scammed?

Your right
Should also add place that scammed each one
Stronger case if people stick together
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #2747 on: February 26, 2019, 10:30:04 PM »
How many of these groups went bust around the same time? Is it coincidental or does this have to do with a crackdown?

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #2748 on: February 26, 2019, 10:32:31 PM »
my issue is that cc swipping isnt an investment, you can call it a flying pig but its still a chicken.


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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #2749 on: February 26, 2019, 10:38:41 PM »
my issue is that cc swipping isnt an investment, you can call it a flying pig but its still a chicken.
What makes one thing an investment and the other a chicken?

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #2750 on: February 26, 2019, 10:49:51 PM »
my issue is that cc swipping isnt an investment, you can call it a flying pig but its still a chicken.
A chicken that can lay golden eggs!
these blanket statements are just not true

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #2751 on: February 26, 2019, 10:56:54 PM »
https://drive.google.com/drive/u/4/folders/1w3tbmIbF9_WmsGPdV2rTSqO-NjxyZP5b
Conversation TODAY with one of these credit card swiping companies
what do you guys think?
Sounds like another one of the same companies....can't answer any questions you ask and just tried to beat around the Bush. I'm calling scammer

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #2752 on: February 26, 2019, 11:13:50 PM »
Especially the 2nd audio, maybe take that one down, unless big brother archived it already. Btw, did you pay him a visit?

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #2753 on: February 27, 2019, 07:37:30 AM »
Should we start a wiki
Didn’t get scammed
Got scammed under 50k
Between 50k-100k
100-200
200+
Your right
Should also add place that scammed each one
Stronger case if people stick together
Don’t forget to include a selfie with favorite / cool car.

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #2754 on: February 27, 2019, 07:53:44 AM »
Don’t forget to include a selfie with favorite / cool car.

 Not sure what the selfie with the car means  ???
Unless you mean the victims collecting for themselves by Purim driving cars  ???
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #2755 on: February 27, 2019, 08:38:51 AM »
Not sure what the selfie with the car means  ???
He means that you're asking for information that's unlikely to help anyone here.

Unless you mean the victims collecting for themselves by Purim driving cars  ???
Your lack of sensitivity to the victims on this thread is disgusting. Losing whatever money they lost surely taught them enough of a lesson, there's no need to spread salt on their wounds. Aside from making yourself feel good, what was such a comment supposed to accomplish?

You should be stripped of your Rabbi title.

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #2756 on: February 27, 2019, 09:14:28 AM »

You should be stripped of your Rabbi title.

you can open a different thread on that topic
but as of now i am the rabbi of ddf
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #2757 on: February 27, 2019, 09:22:44 AM »
you can open a different thread on that topic
but as of now i am the rabbi of ddf
Are you promoting or demoting yourself.
On a serious note, some sensitivity is necessary when dealing with as delicate a situation as this is.

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« Reply #2758 on: February 27, 2019, 09:26:44 AM »
Are you promoting or demoting yourself.
On a serious note, some sensitivity is necessary when dealing with as delicate a situation as this is.

i agree
but ive said this before
we need to make more awareness
its hard to convince people to stop if they are making money
like i said i used to lend out my cards

that being said, i think people should collect then, BH that if it happened, it happened right before Purim where some people can atleast collect part of their losses to pay back
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #2759 on: February 27, 2019, 09:29:17 AM »
i agree
but ive said this before
we need to make more awareness
its hard to convince people to stop if they are making money
like i said i used to lend out my cards

that being said, i think people should collect then, BH that if it happened, it happened right before Purim where some people can atleast collect part of their losses to pay back
Being harsh and insensitive does not encourage people to listen and learn, it causes them to block all information (whether from you or others on this thread) including information that can be very useful.