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https://www.dansdeals.com/more/dans-commentary/dark-side-earning-credit-card-points-psa-dont-swipe-others/

https://www.mixcloud.com/zev-brenner/talkline-with-zev-brenner-on-credit-card-scams-affecting-the-orthodox-jewish-community/

http://podcast.headlinesbook.com/e/31616-credit-card-miles-and-points-swiping-for-rewards-buying-and-selling-miles-is-it-assur-and-a-chillul-hashem-or-a-great-way-for-a-side-parnassah/



BEFORE SWIPING FOR SOMEONE READ THIS: (first hand story)

https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=36812.msg2062371#msg2062371
https://www.dansdeals.com/more/dans-commentary/dark-side-earning-credit-card-points-psa-dont-swipe-others/#comment-1399884


Dan's warning to DDF:
I hope people realize that any buying group or anyone else that gets merchandise in advance of payment can go south at any time. That's even if you get a check at the time of delivery.
X-posting as I don't want anyone to say that I never put a warning here.

A story that ended up in court - https://iapps.courts.state.ny.us/nyscef/DocumentList?docketId=iRcRHuyZUdOIx69D00a5XQ==&display=all&courtType=Kings%20County%20Supreme%20Court&resultsPageNum=1


I am one of the biggest buyers for buying groups, I have done millions in transactions and have sent to every group there is over the past 3 years. Most buying groups are okay, some scan in slower than others, some pay slower than others - most will lose a few packages over the year. You can research and find which are better for you.

However there is a bigger problem now with Amazon itself.  Amazon in the past has been great with any problems always ready with a refund for lost packages even if it was thousands of dollars. Lately Amazon has clamped down and has tagged these buying groups addresses  in their systems as "freight forwarder" and now no longer will fix any problem you have whatsoever. Doesn't matter what the problem is, even if it shows the package was never delivered, amazon will not help you in any way. Their copy and paste response will always be "this item was sent to a freight forwarder and we're unable to replace or refund the item. We recommend contacting your freight forwarder for more details, as we don't have any more insight or information regarding this matter, For more information about sending items via freight forwarders, please visit our Help Pages: https://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html?nodeId=201117950." As well the amazon drivers either must know this or have been increasingly bad at delivering packages because the numbers of packages missing has gone up astronomically. Previously you would have very few packages missing, now the past 3 months I have had 59 "lost" packages. I now have over $15,000 of loses and some guy in Delaware is probably living the life with all the stuff he stole from me. I will survive, I have made a lot more than $15,000 over the years however just a warning to others here that things are not as they used to be and it really is no longer worth doing buring groups with all the loses piling up

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #2820 on: March 01, 2019, 11:51:09 AM »
I’m connected with a magazine that would gladly make a full fledged interview with victims for the purpose of awareness, free of charge. If interested please PM.

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #2821 on: March 01, 2019, 11:52:52 AM »
I’m connected with a magazine that would gladly make a full fledged interview with victims for the purpose of awareness, free of charge. If interested please PM.
This is another good idea - instead of us putting in the effort to create the content (ad) - first see if the community papers/magazines themselves will investigate/write the articles?

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #2822 on: March 01, 2019, 12:00:52 PM »
Absolutely true. But with the right buzz (on WhatsApp groups). A podcast to go around (or excerpts) and a transcript, they will find out about him. He's definitely respected and does a good job.
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IMHO: A large percentage of the kind of ppl that are vulnerable CC swipers and farmers would be very easily reached with a short video that would get sent around to everyones family chat, neighborhood chat, yeshiva chat......

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #2823 on: March 01, 2019, 12:14:53 PM »
This is another good idea - instead of us putting in the effort to create the content (ad) - first see if the community papers/magazines themselves will investigate/write the articles?
I can get a well known publication to write a full article on this matter.
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #2824 on: March 01, 2019, 12:17:19 PM »
I'm going to talk with Zev Brenner tomorrow around 11pm about the need to keep your credit card to yourself.
This will def bring a lot of new readers to this particular forum. Time to look through and make sure there is nothing here that's best kept quiet.
 Anyway, I don't think most of his listeners are from the tribe. You'd probably have better luck helping people by going on David Lichtenstein's headlines as part of a panel, discussing the cases.
I'm sure he'd be fascinated since he's a businessman and I hear that  he pays his guests well.
Lastly, I hate how Brenner thinks that as the talkshow host he is the neutral beacon of truth, and his opinion is worth anything. Make sure that you just tell over facts and don't allow him space for his personal opinion and judgement. This is a problem with most "news" and magazines in the community, not a special prob w Brenner.

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #2825 on: March 01, 2019, 12:21:50 PM »
The David lichtentenstein podcasts is extremely popular.. listened to by thousands.

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #2826 on: March 01, 2019, 12:26:32 PM »
The David lichtentenstein podcasts is extremely popular.. listened to by thousands.
And this would be right up his alley

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
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If Dan is willing we should make him the face of the video or at least prominently featured

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #2828 on: March 01, 2019, 12:35:05 PM »
And this would be right up his alley
Don't know any of these guys. Zev emailed me.
Save your time, I don't answer PM. Post it in the forum and a dedicated DDF'er will get back to you as soon as possible.

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #2829 on: March 01, 2019, 12:44:05 PM »
I’m connected with a magazine that would gladly make a full fledged interview with victims for the purpose of awareness, free of charge. If interested please PM.

Can vouch that this magazine's readership is exactly those who have been whipping out cards. Kudos to @ruv for taking the initiative and I hope people take him up on it.
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« Reply #2833 on: March 01, 2019, 12:51:57 PM »
I’m connected with a magazine that would gladly make a full fledged interview with victims for the purpose of awareness, free of charge. If interested please PM.
most victims are not interested in a full fledged interview.
Will they also make a full page PSA add for free?

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
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is it the show that answers to callers

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #2835 on: March 01, 2019, 04:34:09 PM »
"Live. In NYC it's 620am otherwise online http://www.talklinecommunications.com "

As has been mentioned before, part of what leads to this is the lure of easy money. To that end one of my all time favorite articles is Richard Russel’s “Rich Man Poor Man”. In it he has a section called “don’t lose money”. I think it’s worthwhile to bring some of that message if possible.
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #2837 on: March 02, 2019, 11:19:27 PM »
Dan, Benny from crownheights. info & a Twersky representing Sterling

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« Reply #2838 on: March 02, 2019, 11:23:42 PM »
Who's the other guy?
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« Reply #2839 on: March 02, 2019, 11:24:51 PM »
Who's the other guy?
Dan, Benny from crownheights.info & a Twersky representing Sterling
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