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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #2910 on: March 03, 2019, 01:57:41 AM »
You gotta keep in mind that even if there may be some who have grounds to sue/take to court, they will refrain from it, due to not taking another Yid to court, (and more likely cuz they are young and afraid...)
They may also not want to put a yid in jail (based on the last stories a possibility)

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #2911 on: March 03, 2019, 02:00:24 AM »
You gotta keep in mind that even if there may be some who have grounds to sue/take to court, they will refrain from it, due to not taking another Yid to court, (and more likely cuz they are young and afraid...)
And perhaps they dont want law enforcement prying too deep into their own interactions with the banks.

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #2912 on: March 03, 2019, 02:02:26 AM »
You gotta keep in mind that even if there may be some who have grounds to sue/take to court, they will refrain from it, due to not taking another Yid to court, (and more likely cuz they are young and afraid...)

With all the respect, looks like you dont know much what ages the victims are, or how much we got screwed, well whoever got screwed serious numbers, will do anything possible young or old, smart or stupid. Period


Again, if you are a victim get legal advice ASAP

Speak to your lawyer and get legal advice

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #2913 on: March 03, 2019, 02:06:17 AM »
They may also not want to put a yid in jail (based on the last stories a possibility)

How can you call someone a YID if he stoled money.

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #2914 on: March 03, 2019, 02:12:27 AM »
How can you call someone a YID if he stoled money.
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #2915 on: March 03, 2019, 02:21:42 AM »
How can you call someone a YID if he stoled money.
Sorry for your predicament, and I would have the same feeling of disgust as you have if I were in a similar spot, however there are those that would not take the step of reporting something to the authorities that can make another Jew (literal definition) sit in jail without speaking to a Rov/BD.

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #2916 on: March 03, 2019, 02:31:15 AM »
Would this risk apply to selling your miles in the gray market to a broker?
 Yes you can't loose more then you have, and obviously if you see new cards being opened you would want to put a stop on your account immediately as you can now see your cards online after adding new cards.(or was that only a replacement  replacement card?)

 Better did anyone if the past while have a negative transaction and had cc fraud when giving over your account login to sell miles?
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #2917 on: March 03, 2019, 02:33:39 AM »
Sorry for your predicament, and I would have the same feeling of disgust as you have if I were in a similar spot, however there are those that would not take the step of reporting something to the authorities that can make another Jew (literal definition) sit in jail without speaking to a Rov/BD.

And
My guess is it wouldn't be hard to find a well respected rav who would say it's muttar to take some of these people to court even if they might sit. Just my guess but what do I know.
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #2918 on: March 03, 2019, 02:38:13 AM »
My guess is it wouldn't be hard to find a well respected rav who would say it's muttar to take some of these people to court even if they might sit. Just my guess but what do I know.
This a question to be discussed with ones own Rov, not just rely on another Rov having told someone else it is ok, situations might not be analogous and different details (and a Rovs views) can effect your Rovs conclusion.

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #2919 on: March 03, 2019, 02:43:21 AM »
With all the respect, looks like you dont know much what ages the victims are, or how much we got screwed, well whoever got screwed serious numbers, will do anything possible young or old, smart or stupid. Period


Again, if you are a victim get legal advice ASAP

Speak to your lawyer and get legal advice
I may not know as much as you do, but I happen to know that plenty of the victims are between the ages of 20-30. And yes, they are 'confused and afraid' on how to approach this... (especially after you've heard Mr. Aron Twersky say they are not getting their $ back) If you're willing to offer more help to those 'YOUNG, CONFUSED, & AFRAID victims' pls let others know they can contact you for help...
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #2920 on: March 03, 2019, 02:45:51 AM »
My guess is it wouldn't be hard to find a well respected rav who would say it's muttar to take some of these people to court even if they might sit. Just my guess but what do I know.

You will be surprised 😮

I have a heter from a rov

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #2921 on: March 03, 2019, 02:48:10 AM »
I may not know as much as you do, but I happen to know that plenty of the victims are between the ages of 20-30. And yes, they are 'confused and afraid' on how to approach this... (especially after you've heard Mr. Aron Twersky say they are not getting their $ back) If you're willing to offer more help to those 'YOUNG, CONFUSED, & AFRAID victims' pls let others know they can contact you for help...

Not arguing that eveyone is confused.

I know many victims that are not afraid of anything and willing to do anything possible

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #2922 on: March 03, 2019, 02:57:55 AM »
Not arguing that eveyone is confused.

I know many victims that are not afraid of anything and willing to do anything possible

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-power-slow/201307/the-benefits-fear,
Fear can prevent you from making terrible mistakes.
As you have already done and have encouraged others as well, get professional guidance to help steer you clear of the dangers

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #2923 on: March 03, 2019, 04:47:16 AM »
You will be surprised 😮

I have a heter from a rov

There are various opinions. Rav Moshe has a shita. Some Rabbonim in EY have a very different shita. The fact that one is dealing with the Akum to protect himself and that then causes the Jew to be implicated has ramifications(Chacham Tzvi etc.) One would be wise to consult with a COMPETENT rov well versed in choshen mishpat as well as secular law since the issues are complex, and it would not be surprising to hear a rov say that one class of victims in these stories has a broad heter while another may be prohibited from implicating the Jew....

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #2924 on: March 03, 2019, 08:07:08 AM »
Find a way to dispute without getting in trouble?
Ive had a friend with a similar story. He was able to dispute without saying a lie and won... specifically with AMEX.
I wont say what exactly he said but you can PM if you want the info and you think it can help you.
Keep in mind he was NOT doing this for a very long time. He had multiple PayPal charges over a few days upwards of 100k.
He was still able to dispute it roughly 60 days later...
« Last Edit: March 03, 2019, 08:17:21 AM by AI-TRAVEL »