Author Topic: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others (Read 1203480 times)

Yesitwasme · « **Reply #2920 on:** March 03, 2019, 02:45:51 AM »

Quote from: mmgfarb on March 03, 2019, 02:33:39 AM

My guess is it wouldn't be hard to find a well respected rav who would say it's muttar to take some of these people to court even if they might sit. Just my guess but what do I know.

You will be surprised 😮

I have a heter from a rov

Yesitwasme · « **Reply #2921 on:** March 03, 2019, 02:48:10 AM »

Quote from: chayal101 on March 03, 2019, 02:43:21 AM

I may not know as much as you do, but I happen to know that plenty of the victims are between the ages of 20-30. And yes, they are 'confused and afraid' on how to approach this... (especially after you've heard Mr. Aron Twersky say they are not getting their $ back) If you're willing to offer more help to those 'YOUNG, CONFUSED, & AFRAID victims' pls let others know they can contact you for help...

Not arguing that eveyone is confused.

I know many victims that are not afraid of anything and willing to do anything possible

joey89 · « **Reply #2922 on:** March 03, 2019, 02:57:55 AM »

Quote from: Yesitwasme on March 03, 2019, 02:48:10 AM

Not arguing that eveyone is confused.

I know many victims that are not afraid of anything and willing to do anything possible

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-power-slow/201307/the-benefits-fear,
Fear can prevent you from making terrible mistakes.
As you have already done and have encouraged others as well, get professional guidance to help steer you clear of the dangers

cmey · « **Reply #2923 on:** March 03, 2019, 04:47:16 AM »

Quote from: Yesitwasme on March 03, 2019, 02:45:51 AM

You will be surprised 😮

I have a heter from a rov

There are various opinions. Rav Moshe has a shita. Some Rabbonim in E”Y have a very different shita. The fact that one is dealing with the Akum to protect himself and that then causes the Jew to be implicated has ramifications(Chacham Tzvi etc.) One would be wise to consult with a COMPETENT rov well versed in choshen mishpat as well as secular law since the issues are complex, and it would not be surprising to hear a rov say that one class of victims in these stories has a broad heter while another may be prohibited from implicating the Jew....

AI-TRAVEL · « **Reply #2924 on:** March 03, 2019, 08:07:08 AM »

Quote from: Dan on March 03, 2019, 01:03:41 AM

Find a way to dispute without getting in trouble?

I’ve had a friend with a similar story. He was able to dispute without saying a lie and won... specifically with AMEX.
I won’t say what exactly he said but you can PM if you want the info and you think it can help you.
Keep in mind he was NOT doing this for a very long time. He had multiple PayPal charges over a few days upwards of 100k.
He was still able to dispute it roughly 60 days later...

TimT · « **Reply #2925 on:** March 03, 2019, 08:16:53 AM »

Quote from: AI-TRAVEL on March 03, 2019, 08:07:08 AM

I’ve had a friend with a similar story. He was able to dispute without saying a lie and won... specifically with AMEX.
I won’t play what exactly he said but you can PM if you want the info and you think it can help you.
Keep in mind he was NOT doing this for a very long time. He had multiple PayPal charges over a few days upwards of 100k.
He was still able to dispute it roughly 60 days later...

Was he alone or were there many in the same boat ?

AI-TRAVEL · « **Reply #2926 on:** March 03, 2019, 08:19:32 AM »

Quote from: TimT on March 03, 2019, 08:16:53 AM

Was he alone or were there many in the same boat ?

There were a few other people but not like this... another member actually lost the dispute with chase since he was doing it for many months they said it’s normal charges...

Dan · « **Reply #2927 on:** March 03, 2019, 08:32:37 AM »

Why is it a secret?

Menachem613 · « **Reply #2928 on:** March 03, 2019, 08:34:21 AM »

Quote from: Dan on March 03, 2019, 08:32:37 AM

Why is it a secret?

It’s probably like a deal killer if everyone uses it.

JACKBLUE · « **Reply #2929 on:** March 03, 2019, 08:38:24 AM »

Quote from: myi on March 03, 2019, 02:31:15 AM

Better did anyone if the past while have a negative transaction and had cc fraud when giving over your account login to sell miles?

why give your log in when selling miles? I’ve sold a lot and never gave out my login.....

elimmm · « **Reply #2930 on:** March 03, 2019, 09:52:30 AM »

Quote from: JACKBLUE on March 03, 2019, 08:38:24 AM

why give your log in when selling miles? I’ve sold a lot and never gave out my login.....

How does giving your login allow someone to scam you? Your homepage doesn't have your cc number? Do you mean giving them your card number and login?

pointer · « **Reply #2931 on:** March 03, 2019, 10:04:39 AM »

Quote from: myi on March 03, 2019, 02:31:15 AM

Would this risk apply to selling your miles in the gray market to a broker?
Yes you can't loose more then you have, and obviously if you see new cards being opened you would want to put a stop on your account immediately as you can now see your cards online after adding new cards.(or was that only a replacement replacement card?)

Better did anyone if the past while have a negative transaction and had cc fraud when giving over your account login to sell miles?

This is a classic fraud case, 1,2,3........dispute!

Ephraimh · « **Reply #2932 on:** March 03, 2019, 11:59:22 AM »

Quote from: TimT on March 03, 2019, 02:00:24 AM

And perhaps they don’t want law enforcement prying too deep into their own interactions with the banks.

Probably the #1 reason..
What frightens me the most is once the inevitable happens and this lands in court and the facts become clear, it then becomes a matter of time until the Post or even the Times start working on a story, it has all the buzz words and narrative filling facts to it.. Orthodox Jews, stealing money, bank fraud etc. Huge mess

PSA2 · « **Reply #2933 on:** March 03, 2019, 12:01:10 PM »

Quote from: yosefsv on February 25, 2019, 12:20:47 PM

i personally know 2 people that gave their personal info to pay for this course.

I just found out that this free course guy defaulted over 4 mil. of heimish innocent people's money

Yesitwasme · « **Reply #2934 on:** March 03, 2019, 12:12:15 PM »

Quote from: PSA2 on March 03, 2019, 12:01:10 PM

I just found out that this free course guy defaulted over 4 mil. of heimish innocent people's money

Just curious what was this course about? Never heard about this

joey89 · « **Reply #2935 on:** March 03, 2019, 12:15:09 PM »

Quote from: PSA2 on March 03, 2019, 12:01:10 PM

I just found out that this free course guy defaulted over 4 mil. of heimish innocent people's money

Did he “invest” it with one of these “swipers” so when they defaulted he defaulted?
Or was he swiping himself....

PSA2 · « **Reply #2936 on:** March 03, 2019, 12:16:39 PM »

Quote from: joey89 on March 03, 2019, 12:15:09 PM

Did he “invest” it with one of these “swipers” so when they defaulted he defaulted?
Or was he swiping himself....

Swiped through a shell corporation for himself

joey89 · « **Reply #2937 on:** March 03, 2019, 12:19:18 PM »

Quote from: PSA2 on March 03, 2019, 12:16:39 PM

Swiped through a shell corporation for himself

Straight up theft?

Or “business deal gone bad”

PSA2 · « **Reply #2938 on:** March 03, 2019, 12:20:05 PM »

Quote from: Yesitwasme on March 03, 2019, 12:12:15 PM

Just curious what was this course about? Never heard about this

He is / was teaching people how to be " productive " in all areas of life.

joey89 · « **Reply #2939 on:** March 03, 2019, 12:22:07 PM »

Quote from: PSA2 on March 03, 2019, 12:16:39 PM

Swiped through a shell corporation for himself

Do these victims have a better chance at disputing, being that they never applied for the cards or approved the specific expenditures. (Assuming that they innocently/naively gave their SSN and presumably had no idea the shenanigans he was up to with them)

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