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https://www.dansdeals.com/more/dans-commentary/dark-side-earning-credit-card-points-psa-dont-swipe-others/

https://www.mixcloud.com/zev-brenner/talkline-with-zev-brenner-on-credit-card-scams-affecting-the-orthodox-jewish-community/

http://podcast.headlinesbook.com/e/31616-credit-card-miles-and-points-swiping-for-rewards-buying-and-selling-miles-is-it-assur-and-a-chillul-hashem-or-a-great-way-for-a-side-parnassah/



BEFORE SWIPING FOR SOMEONE READ THIS: (first hand story)

https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=36812.msg2062371#msg2062371
https://www.dansdeals.com/more/dans-commentary/dark-side-earning-credit-card-points-psa-dont-swipe-others/#comment-1399884


Dan's warning to DDF:
I hope people realize that any buying group or anyone else that gets merchandise in advance of payment can go south at any time. That's even if you get a check at the time of delivery.
X-posting as I don't want anyone to say that I never put a warning here.

A story that ended up in court - https://iapps.courts.state.ny.us/nyscef/DocumentList?docketId=iRcRHuyZUdOIx69D00a5XQ==&display=all&courtType=Kings%20County%20Supreme%20Court&resultsPageNum=1


I am one of the biggest buyers for buying groups, I have done millions in transactions and have sent to every group there is over the past 3 years. Most buying groups are okay, some scan in slower than others, some pay slower than others - most will lose a few packages over the year. You can research and find which are better for you.

However there is a bigger problem now with Amazon itself.  Amazon in the past has been great with any problems always ready with a refund for lost packages even if it was thousands of dollars. Lately Amazon has clamped down and has tagged these buying groups addresses  in their systems as "freight forwarder" and now no longer will fix any problem you have whatsoever. Doesn't matter what the problem is, even if it shows the package was never delivered, amazon will not help you in any way. Their copy and paste response will always be "this item was sent to a freight forwarder and we're unable to replace or refund the item. We recommend contacting your freight forwarder for more details, as we don't have any more insight or information regarding this matter, For more information about sending items via freight forwarders, please visit our Help Pages: https://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html?nodeId=201117950." As well the amazon drivers either must know this or have been increasingly bad at delivering packages because the numbers of packages missing has gone up astronomically. Previously you would have very few packages missing, now the past 3 months I have had 59 "lost" packages. I now have over $15,000 of loses and some guy in Delaware is probably living the life with all the stuff he stole from me. I will survive, I have made a lot more than $15,000 over the years however just a warning to others here that things are not as they used to be and it really is no longer worth doing buring groups with all the loses piling up

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #2980 on: March 03, 2019, 04:19:23 PM »
Where is the number 50m coming from?
If you divide it in 100k that means a minimum of 500 victims,  and I assume that most victims were for less than 50k.
Unless you are telling that these victims had such a high LOC and played with a few CC.
And again I live in Lakewood and have family members and friends in Brooklyn and Upstate, and so far didn't hear from any names as victims.
500 victims is a very large number that it shouldn't affect every heimeishe family.

Ironically that number came from Twerski, the lawyer who is representing Sterling Electronics.

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #2981 on: March 03, 2019, 04:24:10 PM »
I feel the banks will make a killing of this parshah. Many will swallow the interest and pay for the next 10 years just to avoid bankruptcy and investigations...
What investigations will they avoid??
They are investigating everyone regardless. And there isn't much to hide, the victim allowed the merchant to charge and the merchant was/was not running a Ponzi scheme.....
Also there is a diff between bankruptcy and defaulting...

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #2982 on: March 03, 2019, 04:27:14 PM »
hey guys! let's continue assisting the banks/feds with ideas on how to approach this case. You all seem to have this all figured out!!
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #2983 on: March 03, 2019, 04:28:03 PM »

I am personally not connected in anyway to this whole parsha, just giving my opinion in my leisure time.
Are you connected to this whole parsha?

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #2984 on: March 03, 2019, 04:28:20 PM »
hey guys! let's continue assisting the banks/feds with ideas on how to approach this case. You all seem to have this all figured out!!
Better than thinking what you have to say on Whatsapp is private and then having it subpoenaed as it will be based on the other case I linked to above.
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #2985 on: March 03, 2019, 04:34:13 PM »
Better than thinking what you have to say on Whatsapp is private and then having it subpoenaed as it will be based on the other case I linked to above.
i doubt they gonna look here... but it's pretty interesting reading everyone's own version of the story, and how this will all go down! At the end of the day, it's gonna be messy, and that's pretty much the most anyone can predict forsure...
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #2986 on: March 03, 2019, 04:35:29 PM »
i doubt they gonna look here... but it's pretty interesting reading everyone's own version of the story, and how this will all go down! At the end of the day, it's gonna be messy, and that's pretty much the most anyone can predict forsure...
I guess you didn't read the case I posted upthread.
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #2987 on: March 03, 2019, 04:37:41 PM »
I guess you didn't read the case I posted upthread.
Where? Too many msgs. coming in from both this and ad campaign thread. hard to follow along.
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #2988 on: March 03, 2019, 04:41:09 PM »
thats exactly the point,
so that outsiders have a hard time figuring this out

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #2989 on: March 03, 2019, 04:49:55 PM »
Are you connected to this whole parsha?
Burech hashem not me and not one of my family. And I didn't hear of a friend or relative.

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #2990 on: March 03, 2019, 05:59:53 PM »
I guess you didn't read the case I posted upthread.
Put in in thread Wiki
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #2992 on: March 03, 2019, 07:12:37 PM »
When/if there will be a large scale investigation this thread will definitely be discussed by some lawmakers, much smaller pieces of information are usually being gathered
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #2993 on: March 03, 2019, 07:24:21 PM »
Now advertized in hiemish papers: Fly to lizensk for $2
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #2994 on: March 03, 2019, 07:25:40 PM »
Where is the number 50m coming from?
If you divide it in 100k that means a minimum of 500 victims,  and I assume that most victims were for less than 50k.
Unless you are telling that these victims had such a high LOC and played with a few CC.
And again I live in Lakewood and have family members and friends in Brooklyn and Upstate, and so far didn't hear from any names as victims.
500 victims is a very large number that it shouldn't affect every heimeishe family.
Many are in it for way more than 100k. 250k is very common

Remember,most ppl have more than one ss

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #2995 on: March 03, 2019, 07:33:27 PM »
Now advertized in hiemish papers: Fly to lizensk for $2
Picture?

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #2996 on: March 03, 2019, 07:33:59 PM »
Many are in it for way more than 100k. 250k is very common

Remember,most ppl have more than one ss
wow, when is this all gonna blow? When the lawsuits are filled?
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #2997 on: March 03, 2019, 07:35:42 PM »
I just got info on a hiemishe optical store in willi that was a swiping farm ( is that a good terminology?) That went bust.

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #2998 on: March 03, 2019, 07:53:28 PM »
Why are all the companies busting at the same time ?
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« Reply #2999 on: March 03, 2019, 07:54:59 PM »
Why are all the companies busting at the same time ?
Did you listen to the radio show yesterday?
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