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https://www.dansdeals.com/more/dans-commentary/dark-side-earning-credit-card-points-psa-dont-swipe-others/

https://www.mixcloud.com/zev-brenner/talkline-with-zev-brenner-on-credit-card-scams-affecting-the-orthodox-jewish-community/

http://podcast.headlinesbook.com/e/31616-credit-card-miles-and-points-swiping-for-rewards-buying-and-selling-miles-is-it-assur-and-a-chillul-hashem-or-a-great-way-for-a-side-parnassah/



BEFORE SWIPING FOR SOMEONE READ THIS: (first hand story)

https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=36812.msg2062371#msg2062371
https://www.dansdeals.com/more/dans-commentary/dark-side-earning-credit-card-points-psa-dont-swipe-others/#comment-1399884


Dan's warning to DDF:
I hope people realize that any buying group or anyone else that gets merchandise in advance of payment can go south at any time. That's even if you get a check at the time of delivery.
X-posting as I don't want anyone to say that I never put a warning here.

A story that ended up in court - https://iapps.courts.state.ny.us/nyscef/DocumentList?docketId=iRcRHuyZUdOIx69D00a5XQ==&display=all&courtType=Kings%20County%20Supreme%20Court&resultsPageNum=1


I am one of the biggest buyers for buying groups, I have done millions in transactions and have sent to every group there is over the past 3 years. Most buying groups are okay, some scan in slower than others, some pay slower than others - most will lose a few packages over the year. You can research and find which are better for you.

However there is a bigger problem now with Amazon itself.  Amazon in the past has been great with any problems always ready with a refund for lost packages even if it was thousands of dollars. Lately Amazon has clamped down and has tagged these buying groups addresses  in their systems as "freight forwarder" and now no longer will fix any problem you have whatsoever. Doesn't matter what the problem is, even if it shows the package was never delivered, amazon will not help you in any way. Their copy and paste response will always be "this item was sent to a freight forwarder and we're unable to replace or refund the item. We recommend contacting your freight forwarder for more details, as we don't have any more insight or information regarding this matter, For more information about sending items via freight forwarders, please visit our Help Pages: https://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html?nodeId=201117950." As well the amazon drivers either must know this or have been increasingly bad at delivering packages because the numbers of packages missing has gone up astronomically. Previously you would have very few packages missing, now the past 3 months I have had 59 "lost" packages. I now have over $15,000 of loses and some guy in Delaware is probably living the life with all the stuff he stole from me. I will survive, I have made a lot more than $15,000 over the years however just a warning to others here that things are not as they used to be and it really is no longer worth doing buring groups with all the loses piling up

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #3020 on: March 03, 2019, 09:42:58 PM »
I'm told that it's being uploaded.
Dial up...

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #3021 on: March 03, 2019, 09:46:31 PM »
Either way
How do we access it
Dial up...
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #3022 on: March 03, 2019, 10:07:50 PM »
No it’s not
Can someone please post the recording of the interview
He/she was referring to the court link not to the recording.

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #3023 on: March 03, 2019, 10:35:14 PM »
I actually found the case that you posted about last week Thursday (after googling A Twersky), that's why i kept on posting upthread that Twersky is also representing an individual who disputed charges.... he's working on opposite ends on 2 BIG cases that everyone is talking about... it's the most twisted thing EVER!!
IANAL, but I don't see the issue. It's 2 separate cases, with 4 total parties, no? Why does representing a specific 'lender' in one case put him in conflict with representing a 'borrower' in another?

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #3024 on: March 03, 2019, 10:38:16 PM »
IANAL, but I don't see the issue. It's 2 separate cases, with 4 total parties, no? Why does representing a specific 'lender' in one case put him in conflict with representing a 'borrower' in another?
it doesn't put him in conflict. it's just interesting that he's on 2 different cases, one where he's pro merchant vs. chargeback, and the other case, where he's pro individual's chargeback.
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #3025 on: March 03, 2019, 10:38:55 PM »
it doesn't put him in conflict. it's just interesting that he's on 2 different cases, one where he's pro merchant vs. chargeback, and the other case, where he's pro individual's chargeback.
The circumstances are different in each case...

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #3026 on: March 03, 2019, 10:44:14 PM »
He plays both sides of every coin including the education debate. He and his siblings are college educated yet he backs the corrupt chasidish yeshiva education regime.
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #3027 on: March 03, 2019, 11:51:19 PM »
What exactly is Aaron Twersky doing for Sterling? Saving the owners or trying to get some money out for the swipers/investors?

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #3028 on: March 03, 2019, 11:52:52 PM »
Saving the owners.
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #3029 on: March 03, 2019, 11:53:54 PM »
What exactly is Aaron Twersky doing for Sterling? Saving the owners or trying to get some money out for the swipers/investors?

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Read what you wrote and see how you answered your own question.
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #3030 on: March 03, 2019, 11:55:48 PM »
Saving the owners.

Wow I’m shocked. Can’t believe a yid like SS would be a part of something like this. And to those who PM’ed and called me saying that “all will work out for the swipers”...

What do you have to say?!

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #3031 on: March 03, 2019, 11:56:34 PM »
Read what you wrote and see how you answered your own question.

What that I wrote are you referring to?

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #3032 on: March 03, 2019, 11:58:15 PM »
What that I wrote are you referring to?
What is he doing for sterling? Something for sterling.
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #3033 on: March 04, 2019, 12:06:52 AM »
What is he doing for sterling? Something for sterling.

I hear. I’m very naive. Now I will never trust anyone again, even the tzaddik I believed SS was.

Now, re investors vs lenders, I heard MULTIPLE times from GN and LH that their “investors” are actually “lenders”, and that their “keren” (principal) is “guaranteed”. If Twersky is going down that road then the swipers lawyers will be having an easy time.

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #3034 on: March 04, 2019, 09:28:22 PM »
Thread split to here: https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=102001

Let's stay on topic in this thread.
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #3036 on: March 04, 2019, 11:01:40 PM »
Any update on any of the cases here?
What are people doing ?
Defaulting / bankruptcy?
Is disputing still an option ?
Settling ?
Or it's still too early ?

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Re: Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #3037 on: March 05, 2019, 01:13:11 AM »
Zev Brenner interview:
https://www.mixcloud.com/zev-brenner/talkline-with-zev-brenner-on-credit-card-scams-affecting-the-orthodox-jewish-community/
Amazed how the lawyer keeps saying that people should know about the risks.  I wonder, did his client tell everyone what they were really doing with the money, or were the cardholders under the false impression that the money was guaranteed back?
(There are many reasons a business would borrow money, some are virtually guaranteed to be paid back, such as using the money to pay a supplier on delivery, instead of waiting 90 days in order to get a discount, while others are extremely risky e.g. investing in new ideas or pocketing some of it)

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Re: Re: Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #3039 on: March 05, 2019, 10:04:50 AM »