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https://www.dansdeals.com/more/dans-commentary/dark-side-earning-credit-card-points-psa-dont-swipe-others/

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BEFORE SWIPING FOR SOMEONE READ THIS: (first hand story)

https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=36812.msg2062371#msg2062371
https://www.dansdeals.com/more/dans-commentary/dark-side-earning-credit-card-points-psa-dont-swipe-others/#comment-1399884


Dan's warning to DDF:
I hope people realize that any buying group or anyone else that gets merchandise in advance of payment can go south at any time. That's even if you get a check at the time of delivery.
X-posting as I don't want anyone to say that I never put a warning here.

A story that ended up in court - https://iapps.courts.state.ny.us/nyscef/DocumentList?docketId=iRcRHuyZUdOIx69D00a5XQ==&display=all&courtType=Kings%20County%20Supreme%20Court&resultsPageNum=1


I am one of the biggest buyers for buying groups, I have done millions in transactions and have sent to every group there is over the past 3 years. Most buying groups are okay, some scan in slower than others, some pay slower than others - most will lose a few packages over the year. You can research and find which are better for you.

However there is a bigger problem now with Amazon itself.  Amazon in the past has been great with any problems always ready with a refund for lost packages even if it was thousands of dollars. Lately Amazon has clamped down and has tagged these buying groups addresses  in their systems as "freight forwarder" and now no longer will fix any problem you have whatsoever. Doesn't matter what the problem is, even if it shows the package was never delivered, amazon will not help you in any way. Their copy and paste response will always be "this item was sent to a freight forwarder and we're unable to replace or refund the item. We recommend contacting your freight forwarder for more details, as we don't have any more insight or information regarding this matter, For more information about sending items via freight forwarders, please visit our Help Pages: https://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html?nodeId=201117950." As well the amazon drivers either must know this or have been increasingly bad at delivering packages because the numbers of packages missing has gone up astronomically. Previously you would have very few packages missing, now the past 3 months I have had 59 "lost" packages. I now have over $15,000 of loses and some guy in Delaware is probably living the life with all the stuff he stole from me. I will survive, I have made a lot more than $15,000 over the years however just a warning to others here that things are not as they used to be and it really is no longer worth doing buring groups with all the loses piling up

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #3380 on: March 13, 2019, 03:58:56 PM »
FDIC*
*Or comparable.

Better now? Any way for American to take advantage of others online?

Dunno. I have 4 citizenship's, and non-American ;)

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #3381 on: March 13, 2019, 04:01:15 PM »
Dunno. I have 4 passports, and non-American ;)
Well then, FTFY



You do know that the world is bigger than the FDIC? There are other Federal Banks in the world that protect CD style accounts. Australia NZ for one have some high rate products now that you can certainly take advantage of if you have 4 passports.

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #3382 on: March 13, 2019, 04:02:06 PM »
Well then, FTFY

Since when is DDF American only?

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #3383 on: March 13, 2019, 04:10:41 PM »
Risk of a higher yield coming out and missing it ;)
I've been waiting over 5 years with bated breath for someone to say that!
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« Reply #3384 on: March 13, 2019, 04:15:05 PM »
You do know that the world is bigger than the FDIC? There are other Federal Banks in the world that protect CD style accounts. Australia NZ for one have some high rate products now.

Yet the USD being the worst currency (with the exception of all others) is still the reserve currency of the world.
I've been waiting over 5 years with bated breath for someone to say that!
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #3385 on: March 13, 2019, 05:10:03 PM »
Saw this hanging up around the Mir today.
Anyway know what this is all about.
Another scam or it legit?

Massive dividends,  100% risk free = 1000% scam.

A low risk investment would be betting that it's a scam.  I'm taking bets.

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #3386 on: March 13, 2019, 05:48:36 PM »
The more I'm hearing, the more I'm starting to agree with your view. My trust level in my fellow Chareidy brethren has plummeted to near 0. Add the recent London Dayan story, whom 2 of his kids are great friends of mine, and I can't even trust Rabbi's.

People are only human. Everyone lost faith in Dovid Hamelech yet he emerged perhaps even greater than he ever was before. In this generation we are quick to write people off. Great tannaim and amoraim had personal failures yet were towering spiritual giants.

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #3387 on: March 13, 2019, 06:33:32 PM »
People are only human. Everyone lost faith in Dovid Hamelech yet he emerged perhaps even greater than he ever was before. In this generation we are quick to write people off. Great tannaim and amoraim had personal failures yet were towering spiritual giants.

I agree that the whole frum world shouldn’t take the blame for a few sickos.

We must, however, keep in mind that nobody is beyond corruption. Money is a major corruptor. It can turn friends and family into bitter enemies. Never trust that someone will “do the right thing” with your money just because they shuckle extra hard while davening.


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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #3388 on: March 13, 2019, 06:33:54 PM »
People are only human. Everyone lost faith in Dovid Hamelech yet he emerged perhaps even greater than he ever was before. In this generation we are quick to write people off. Great tannaim and amoraim had personal failures yet were towering spiritual giants.
+100
I’m never shocked or appalled whenever there’s a scandal involving a rabbi and women. We all have taivos and there’s a reason yichud is assur for everyone, whether they’re a rosh yeshiva or not. To say “how could a rabbi do...” is the same as saying rabbis aren’t human, they’re malachim.

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #3389 on: March 13, 2019, 08:32:55 PM »


People are only human. Everyone lost faith in Dovid Hamelech yet he emerged perhaps even greater than he ever was before. In this generation we are quick to write people off. Great tannaim and amoraim had personal failures yet were towering spiritual giants.

Let's not compare anyone or anything to Dovid hamelech.. not sure what you mean by great tanaim having "personal failures" either  כל האומר... חטא אינו אלא טועה

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #3390 on: March 13, 2019, 08:49:12 PM »
The more I'm hearing, the more I'm starting to agree with your view. My trust level in my fellow Chareidy brethren has plummeted to near 0. Add the recent London Dayan story, whom 2 of his kids are great friends of mine, and I can't even trust Rabbi's.


You believe the rumors are true? Maybe he resigned for other reasons.

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #3391 on: March 13, 2019, 09:03:15 PM »
Dunno. I have 4 citizenship's, and non-American ;)

Now everything makes sense 😂
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #3392 on: March 13, 2019, 09:16:32 PM »
Ok what's this London rabbi story?
#TYH

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #3393 on: March 13, 2019, 09:20:23 PM »
Ok what's this London rabbi story?
you like hearing LH? (IDK the story)

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #3394 on: March 13, 2019, 09:37:00 PM »
Ok what's this London rabbi story?
From a few minutes with Google.  He suddenly resigned from the bais din and from his shul position.  It appears his problem is not financial or with young boys.
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #3395 on: March 13, 2019, 09:44:16 PM »
you like hearing LH? (IDK the story)
Yup, but my filter doesnt let me open articles about it. Hence my asking here
#TYH

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #3396 on: March 13, 2019, 09:50:21 PM »

Let's not compare anyone or anything to Dovid hamelech.. not sure what you mean by great tanaim having "personal failures" either  כל האומר... חטא אינו אלא טועה

The תלמיד of רבי מאיר who went to מדינת הים and wasn’t embarrassed to give his name after starting the aveira and then overcoming his יצר הרע.

רבי חייא בר אשי in Meseches kiddushin who’s wife pretended to be the local זונה and he went to great lengths to consort with her.

ברוריא the wife of רבי מאיר who was a great woman in her own right, and many, many others.


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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #3397 on: March 13, 2019, 10:16:58 PM »
From a few minutes with Google.  He suddenly resigned from the bais din and from his shul position.  It appears his problem is not financial or with young boys.

Here is a hint:

If it’s not financial or young boys...

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« Reply #3398 on: March 13, 2019, 10:34:41 PM »
Now everything makes sense 😂

Yup!

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #3399 on: March 13, 2019, 10:35:33 PM »
Here is a hint:

If it’s not financial or young boys...

Then it must be missing Zof Zman Krias Shma!