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https://www.dansdeals.com/more/dans-commentary/dark-side-earning-credit-card-points-psa-dont-swipe-others/

https://www.mixcloud.com/zev-brenner/talkline-with-zev-brenner-on-credit-card-scams-affecting-the-orthodox-jewish-community/

http://podcast.headlinesbook.com/e/31616-credit-card-miles-and-points-swiping-for-rewards-buying-and-selling-miles-is-it-assur-and-a-chillul-hashem-or-a-great-way-for-a-side-parnassah/



BEFORE SWIPING FOR SOMEONE READ THIS: (first hand story)

https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=36812.msg2062371#msg2062371
https://www.dansdeals.com/more/dans-commentary/dark-side-earning-credit-card-points-psa-dont-swipe-others/#comment-1399884


Dan's warning to DDF:
I hope people realize that any buying group or anyone else that gets merchandise in advance of payment can go south at any time. That's even if you get a check at the time of delivery.
X-posting as I don't want anyone to say that I never put a warning here.

A story that ended up in court - https://iapps.courts.state.ny.us/nyscef/DocumentList?docketId=iRcRHuyZUdOIx69D00a5XQ==&display=all&courtType=Kings%20County%20Supreme%20Court&resultsPageNum=1


I am one of the biggest buyers for buying groups, I have done millions in transactions and have sent to every group there is over the past 3 years. Most buying groups are okay, some scan in slower than others, some pay slower than others - most will lose a few packages over the year. You can research and find which are better for you.

However there is a bigger problem now with Amazon itself.  Amazon in the past has been great with any problems always ready with a refund for lost packages even if it was thousands of dollars. Lately Amazon has clamped down and has tagged these buying groups addresses  in their systems as "freight forwarder" and now no longer will fix any problem you have whatsoever. Doesn't matter what the problem is, even if it shows the package was never delivered, amazon will not help you in any way. Their copy and paste response will always be "this item was sent to a freight forwarder and we're unable to replace or refund the item. We recommend contacting your freight forwarder for more details, as we don't have any more insight or information regarding this matter, For more information about sending items via freight forwarders, please visit our Help Pages: https://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html?nodeId=201117950." As well the amazon drivers either must know this or have been increasingly bad at delivering packages because the numbers of packages missing has gone up astronomically. Previously you would have very few packages missing, now the past 3 months I have had 59 "lost" packages. I now have over $15,000 of loses and some guy in Delaware is probably living the life with all the stuff he stole from me. I will survive, I have made a lot more than $15,000 over the years however just a warning to others here that things are not as they used to be and it really is no longer worth doing buring groups with all the loses piling up

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #3420 on: March 17, 2019, 12:03:11 AM »
The podcast dropped..
 | 3/16/16 Credit card miles and points: Swiping for rewards, buying and selling miles, is it Assur and a Chillul Hashem or a great way for a side Parnassah?

http://podcast.headlinesbook.com/e/31616-credit-card-miles-and-points-swiping-for-rewards-buying-and-selling-miles-is-it-assur-and-a-chillul-hashem-or-a-great-way-for-a-side-parnassah/
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #3421 on: March 17, 2019, 01:01:20 AM »
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #3422 on: March 17, 2019, 01:44:16 AM »
Thanks for the link.

It's too bad this wasn't a panel discussion. I certainly could have helped clarify some of the mileage situations and assumptions discussed in the final hour that may have changed the answers given by the Rabonim.

Clearly he wanted to argue about selling points with me, but it wasn't an argument I wanted to enter, nor was it one that I had to enter as I've never advocated selling points.


The first Rov said he hasn’t heard of a rov that says it’s Mutar to sell. Does anyone know a rov that’s allows it ?
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #3423 on: March 17, 2019, 01:55:16 AM »
Wow. As a advertisement on vosizneias.com

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« Reply #3424 on: March 17, 2019, 02:21:40 AM »
Wow. As a advertisement on vosizneias.com
Yes, IIRC he advertises his podcast like that on some of the frum sites and also in some print publications.

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« Reply #3425 on: March 17, 2019, 10:42:02 AM »
Wow, thanks guys!

It's funny, I didn't feel great about either of these interviews. I guess I'm just used to editing posts until I'm happy with it. Don't have that luxury on the air.
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« Reply #3426 on: March 17, 2019, 10:55:23 AM »
Wow, thanks guys!

It's funny, I didn't feel great about either of these interviews. I guess I'm just used to editing posts until I'm happy with it. Don't have that luxury on the air.
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #3427 on: March 17, 2019, 10:57:46 AM »
Time to start your own podcast!
Great idea. Who knows, if it becomes popular Dan could then start giving public seminars. :)
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #3428 on: March 17, 2019, 11:05:18 AM »


The first Rov said he hasn’t heard of a rov that says it’s Mutar to sell. Does anyone know a rov that’s allows it ?

+1 love to hear as well.

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #3429 on: March 17, 2019, 11:07:38 AM »
Great idea. If it becomes popular Dan could then start giving public seminars. :)

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Great idea. Who knows, if it becomes popular Dan could then start giving public seminars. :)
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Didn't listen to the entire podcast, but from what I heard I really didn't know where the "I say um too much comment" came from.  Well spoken.
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#Dan'sNextCareer.

Didn't listen to the entire podcast, but from what I heard I really didn't know where the "I say um too much comment" came from.  Well spoken.
I course corrected from what I heard on the Zev Brenner panel.
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #3432 on: March 17, 2019, 11:30:54 AM »
Wow, thanks guys!

It's funny, I didn't feel great about either of these interviews. I guess I'm just used to editing posts until I'm happy with it. Don't have that luxury on the air.

I think you did a great job on the podcast.

I noticed that both Brenner and Lichtenstein asked you at the end to “tell us a good deal”. Either this is sarcasm or they just don’t understand how a deal works. Deals aren’t static. They come and go. Sometimes every day, sometimes every few hours or less. You could throw in a plug there to sign up for twitter/text notifications so that they don’t miss it.

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« Reply #3433 on: March 17, 2019, 11:41:17 AM »
I think you did a great job on the podcast.

I noticed that both Brenner and Lichtenstein asked you at the end to “tell us a good deal”. Either this is sarcasm or they just don’t understand how a deal works. Deals aren’t static. They come and go. Sometimes every day, sometimes every few hours or less. You could throw in a plug there to sign up for twitter/text notifications so that they don’t miss it.
Thanks. And good point, I should have been ready for that one.
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« Reply #3434 on: March 17, 2019, 11:46:08 AM »
#Dan'sNextCareer.

Didn't listen to the entire podcast, but from what I heard I really didn't know where the "I say um too much comment" came from.  Well spoken.
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 Until we can determine the issues with you we would have to ban you! ;)
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« Reply #3436 on: March 17, 2019, 12:13:00 PM »
I think you did a great job on the podcast.

I noticed that both Brenner and Lichtenstein asked you at the end to “tell us a good deal”. Either this is sarcasm or they just don’t understand how a deal works. Deals aren’t static. They come and go. Sometimes every day, sometimes every few hours or less. You could throw in a plug there to sign up for twitter/text notifications so that they don’t miss it.
It's like meeting a comedian and saying, "tell me a joke."

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There's a major difference between MAX and EX

You can also solve it by granting a like. With the side benefit of eradicating malnutrition.
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #3438 on: March 17, 2019, 12:42:34 PM »
Thanks. And good point, I should have been ready for that one.
The best answer would have been if you go  to Dansdeals.com you have a link to Amazon to get ...

Utilizing the trump strategy of mentioning your name as many times as possible. No coverage is bad coverage.

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #3439 on: March 17, 2019, 02:32:02 PM »
Listening now to the podcast - re airline fare mistake. Matthew once wrote about it, when the passenger makes a mistake the airline will charge you in full so don't feel bad when they make a mistake - https://liveandletsfly.boardingarea.com/2017/05/21/mistake-fare-stories/