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https://www.dansdeals.com/more/dans-commentary/dark-side-earning-credit-card-points-psa-dont-swipe-others/

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BEFORE SWIPING FOR SOMEONE READ THIS: (first hand story)

https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=36812.msg2062371#msg2062371
https://www.dansdeals.com/more/dans-commentary/dark-side-earning-credit-card-points-psa-dont-swipe-others/#comment-1399884


Dan's warning to DDF:
I hope people realize that any buying group or anyone else that gets merchandise in advance of payment can go south at any time. That's even if you get a check at the time of delivery.
X-posting as I don't want anyone to say that I never put a warning here.

A story that ended up in court - https://iapps.courts.state.ny.us/nyscef/DocumentList?docketId=iRcRHuyZUdOIx69D00a5XQ==&display=all&courtType=Kings%20County%20Supreme%20Court&resultsPageNum=1


I am one of the biggest buyers for buying groups, I have done millions in transactions and have sent to every group there is over the past 3 years. Most buying groups are okay, some scan in slower than others, some pay slower than others - most will lose a few packages over the year. You can research and find which are better for you.

However there is a bigger problem now with Amazon itself.  Amazon in the past has been great with any problems always ready with a refund for lost packages even if it was thousands of dollars. Lately Amazon has clamped down and has tagged these buying groups addresses  in their systems as "freight forwarder" and now no longer will fix any problem you have whatsoever. Doesn't matter what the problem is, even if it shows the package was never delivered, amazon will not help you in any way. Their copy and paste response will always be "this item was sent to a freight forwarder and we're unable to replace or refund the item. We recommend contacting your freight forwarder for more details, as we don't have any more insight or information regarding this matter, For more information about sending items via freight forwarders, please visit our Help Pages: https://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html?nodeId=201117950." As well the amazon drivers either must know this or have been increasingly bad at delivering packages because the numbers of packages missing has gone up astronomically. Previously you would have very few packages missing, now the past 3 months I have had 59 "lost" packages. I now have over $15,000 of loses and some guy in Delaware is probably living the life with all the stuff he stole from me. I will survive, I have made a lot more than $15,000 over the years however just a warning to others here that things are not as they used to be and it really is no longer worth doing buring groups with all the loses piling up

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #3500 on: March 27, 2019, 07:46:15 PM »
Speak to a competent financial advisor, not an anonymous internet forum.
+1, probably a trusted attorney as well

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #3501 on: March 27, 2019, 07:46:34 PM »
So set up a recurring transfer. Don't see why you would lock up your funds in a CD for no gain over that. Especially as rates continue to trend up.

I guess you're expecting a steeper inversion.  ::)
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #3502 on: March 27, 2019, 07:58:13 PM »
Bankrupt only 1 name and at least only loose 17K not additional 33K
Never declare personal bankruptcy.   Especially for this amount. You wont find an advisor that will let.  Dont take my word for your final decision but I'm telling you that this will be their response.
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #3503 on: March 27, 2019, 08:15:39 PM »
Transfer the balance to a 0% apr card.

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #3504 on: March 27, 2019, 08:43:24 PM »
On this topic I have a friend who swiped his way into credit card debt of approx 30k. At this point all his cards are maxed out. He can afford to pay the minimum payments but that would take years to actually pay off. Is it worthwhile for him to just stop paying and then settle with the cc companies?

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #3505 on: March 27, 2019, 09:06:01 PM »
Transfer the balance to a 0% apr card.
Thanks this sounds good.
What about just don’t pay and go to collections and settle for less?

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #3506 on: March 27, 2019, 09:08:53 PM »
Speak to a competent advisor if you want to go down that road.

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #3507 on: March 27, 2019, 09:29:33 PM »
Another grocery is in process of collapsing..
Relative BH only $50K and already paid $17K from pocket.
Should they bankrupt or pay the rest?

Another?

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #3508 on: March 27, 2019, 11:07:12 PM »
Never declare personal bankruptcy.

Why?

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #3509 on: March 28, 2019, 01:11:00 PM »
I have a CD with BAM Apple Bank for 2.45%
Can get the same from CIT with no CD required.
https://www.dansdeals.com/points-travel/banking/cit-bank-now-offering-2-45-apy-savings-account/
Can get 2.5% (no CD required) with all american bank

https://allamerica.bank/personal/banking/checking/mega-money-market-checking

or with red neck bank (if you cool with redneckery.... )

https://redneck.bank/

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #3510 on: March 28, 2019, 01:12:53 PM »
Save your time, I don't answer PM. Post it in the forum and a dedicated DDF'er will get back to you as soon as possible.

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #3511 on: March 28, 2019, 01:19:21 PM »
$50K max on these accounts and one account per person.

Also, be careful, with the MM accounts

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #3512 on: March 28, 2019, 01:20:08 PM »
Can get 2.5% (no CD required) with all american bank

https://allamerica.bank/personal/banking/checking/mega-money-market-checking

or with red neck bank (if you cool with redneckery.... )

https://redneck.bank/

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #3513 on: March 28, 2019, 01:21:16 PM »
On this topic I have a friend who swiped his way into credit card debt of approx 30k. At this point all his cards are maxed out. He can afford to pay the minimum payments but that would take years to actually pay off. Is it worthwhile for him to just stop paying and then settle with the cc companies?

it would be a many years long process with lots of phone calls from creditors and collectors, in the ends they add on interested and fees etc.. so when they "settle" it's really as much as a discount as you would think. As well in the beginning the settlement offers are not very good, only many years later do they get better. however still better than paying 26% interest

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #3514 on: March 28, 2019, 01:21:47 PM »
$50K max on these accounts and one account per person.
Didn't realize that...
https://apps.westernbanks.com/
2.5%, 3mm max, no minimum

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #3515 on: March 28, 2019, 01:23:53 PM »
Also, be careful, with the MM accounts
That's every savings account, no?

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #3516 on: March 28, 2019, 01:24:43 PM »
it would be a many years long process with lots of phone calls from creditors and collectors, in the ends they add on interested and fees etc.. so when they "settle" it's really as much as a discount as you would think. As well in the beginning the settlement offers are not very good, only many years later do they get better. however still better than paying 26% interest

If playing things right one can expect to settle for 30% or less, depending on circumstances, sizes of accounts, which banks, etc.
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #3517 on: March 28, 2019, 01:32:23 PM »
Can we change the title of this thread to “best high yield savings accounts”

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #3518 on: March 28, 2019, 01:55:30 PM »
That's every savings account, no?

Correct. Unsure of @ExGingi's point

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #3519 on: March 28, 2019, 01:57:11 PM »
Correct. Unsure of @ExGingi's point

The headline title when clicking on the link is "Mega Money Market® Checking" and if a checkbook is issued, one might mistake it for a checking account without said limitation.
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