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BEFORE SWIPING FOR SOMEONE READ THIS: (first hand story)

https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=36812.msg2062371#msg2062371
https://www.dansdeals.com/more/dans-commentary/dark-side-earning-credit-card-points-psa-dont-swipe-others/#comment-1399884


Dan's warning to DDF:
I hope people realize that any buying group or anyone else that gets merchandise in advance of payment can go south at any time. That's even if you get a check at the time of delivery.
X-posting as I don't want anyone to say that I never put a warning here.

A story that ended up in court - https://iapps.courts.state.ny.us/nyscef/DocumentList?docketId=iRcRHuyZUdOIx69D00a5XQ==&display=all&courtType=Kings%20County%20Supreme%20Court&resultsPageNum=1


I am one of the biggest buyers for buying groups, I have done millions in transactions and have sent to every group there is over the past 3 years. Most buying groups are okay, some scan in slower than others, some pay slower than others - most will lose a few packages over the year. You can research and find which are better for you.

However there is a bigger problem now with Amazon itself.  Amazon in the past has been great with any problems always ready with a refund for lost packages even if it was thousands of dollars. Lately Amazon has clamped down and has tagged these buying groups addresses  in their systems as "freight forwarder" and now no longer will fix any problem you have whatsoever. Doesn't matter what the problem is, even if it shows the package was never delivered, amazon will not help you in any way. Their copy and paste response will always be "this item was sent to a freight forwarder and we're unable to replace or refund the item. We recommend contacting your freight forwarder for more details, as we don't have any more insight or information regarding this matter, For more information about sending items via freight forwarders, please visit our Help Pages: https://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html?nodeId=201117950." As well the amazon drivers either must know this or have been increasingly bad at delivering packages because the numbers of packages missing has gone up astronomically. Previously you would have very few packages missing, now the past 3 months I have had 59 "lost" packages. I now have over $15,000 of loses and some guy in Delaware is probably living the life with all the stuff he stole from me. I will survive, I have made a lot more than $15,000 over the years however just a warning to others here that things are not as they used to be and it really is no longer worth doing buring groups with all the loses piling up

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #3560 on: June 16, 2019, 09:50:26 PM »
Stop wasting your time. It's not.

$6,811,445,84.

Case is almost certainly a loser.

How do you see this going down?

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #3561 on: June 16, 2019, 09:51:57 PM »
Interestingly I said back in March they should file chargebacks based on not getting the agreed "service"  with the service being getting their bills paid.. They should claim the arrangement was a service that was not rendered.

The result would have been the same. The merchants would have made the same counter-arguments.

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #3562 on: June 27, 2019, 08:52:11 PM »
If someone was still doubting whether Twerski was the lawyer for sterling.........
https://iapps.courts.state.ny.us/nyscef/ViewDocument?docIndex=gnQ2Eh1e_PLUS_Ow3g6L/vNRaGg== 

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #3563 on: July 18, 2019, 06:10:19 PM »
Buying group thread?

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #3564 on: July 23, 2019, 01:21:40 AM »
Interesting how שטותים מיט לאקשן about UPS method that is bogus trash gets to stay. But regular informative posts get deleted.

     Well thinking about it, there's employees from amazon, best buy and even walmart which i'm sure spend time snooping around the forum, now seeing that X item was purchased by X amount of people and shipping to x place..
 Some of these topics shouldn't necessarily be discussed openly.
 And not to mention all the banks, especially Chase and even Amex who's snooping across these boards to see what the crowd is up to these days and how they're gaming the system, when they have what to go after, one can expect more shutdowns and clawbacks.
   Now I have no clue if one of the institutions(Chase, Amex, Amazon, Walmart.. or even the buying groups.) reached out to the board members here and asked to remove such discussions?
 
    I know amazon is cracking down as well, as DoC lost his referral link for some odd reason.
   So with such manufacturing and discussions dan and the crew is more prone for closures of the programs.
    As always better safe then sorry.

 Now such discussions I don't see to be a problem if discussed in the right boards, for example members with x amount of posts, and likes and HT which would credit you and make you a somewhat trusted member and be allowed into a board for discussion, and only those members can read and reply to those boards.

    Same reason for the buying and selling miles boards were all shut down.

 "Again guys it's an open forum."
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #3565 on: July 23, 2019, 10:32:39 AM »
👆Nice thought process highly doubt that’s the case though.

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #3566 on: July 23, 2019, 11:06:05 AM »
Is the BG discussion going to migrate to this thread?

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #3567 on: July 23, 2019, 11:11:38 AM »
Only on DDF does 24/6 mean 24/5/half/half

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #3568 on: July 23, 2019, 01:09:46 PM »

     Well thinking about it, there's employees from amazon, best buy and even walmart which i'm sure spend time snooping around the forum, now seeing that X item was purchased by X amount of people and shipping to x place..
 Some of these topics shouldn't necessarily be discussed openly.
 And not to mention all the banks, especially Chase and even Amex who's snooping across these boards to see what the crowd is up to these days and how they're gaming the system, when they have what to go after, one can expect more shutdowns and clawbacks.
   Now I have no clue if one of the institutions(Chase, Amex, Amazon, Walmart.. or even the buying groups.) reached out to the board members here and asked to remove such discussions?
 
    I know amazon is cracking down as well, as DoC lost his referral link for some odd reason.
   So with such manufacturing and discussions dan and the crew is more prone for closures of the programs.
    As always better safe then sorry.

 Now such discussions I don't see to be a problem if discussed in the right boards, for example members with x amount of posts, and likes and HT which would credit you and make you a somewhat trusted member and be allowed into a board for discussion, and only those members can read and reply to those boards.

    Same reason for the buying and selling miles boards were all shut down.

 "Again guys it's an open forum."
Lol, you making it sound like that thread had some real deep MS secrets, there was absolutely 0 valuable info for the stores.

unless they really really needed to know how many people where whining aoubt MYS payout

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #3569 on: July 24, 2019, 10:50:39 PM »
Lol, you making it sound like that thread had some real deep MS secrets, there was absolutely 0 valuable info for the stores.

unless they really really needed to know how many people where whining aoubt MYS payout
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #3570 on: August 02, 2019, 05:28:17 PM »
Anyone know why Tamir and plaintiffs gave up? Loss of TRO isn't the end of the case...
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #3571 on: August 06, 2019, 07:44:16 PM »
No more funding available

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« Reply #3572 on: August 06, 2019, 08:04:13 PM »
They had enough funding only to file the complaint and make the initial motion??
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #3573 on: August 06, 2019, 08:13:02 PM »
Maybe they should have hired my guy who works cheap.  :)
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
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« Reply #3576 on: August 08, 2019, 11:58:39 AM »
So what's the deal?
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #3578 on: August 09, 2019, 11:06:32 AM »
Care to elaborate?
they didn’t stand a chance so they dropped it

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #3579 on: August 09, 2019, 04:08:29 PM »
Sign all over BP