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https://www.dansdeals.com/more/dans-commentary/dark-side-earning-credit-card-points-psa-dont-swipe-others/

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http://podcast.headlinesbook.com/e/31616-credit-card-miles-and-points-swiping-for-rewards-buying-and-selling-miles-is-it-assur-and-a-chillul-hashem-or-a-great-way-for-a-side-parnassah/



BEFORE SWIPING FOR SOMEONE READ THIS: (first hand story)

https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=36812.msg2062371#msg2062371
https://www.dansdeals.com/more/dans-commentary/dark-side-earning-credit-card-points-psa-dont-swipe-others/#comment-1399884


Dan's warning to DDF:
I hope people realize that any buying group or anyone else that gets merchandise in advance of payment can go south at any time. That's even if you get a check at the time of delivery.
X-posting as I don't want anyone to say that I never put a warning here.

A story that ended up in court - https://iapps.courts.state.ny.us/nyscef/DocumentList?docketId=iRcRHuyZUdOIx69D00a5XQ==&display=all&courtType=Kings%20County%20Supreme%20Court&resultsPageNum=1


I am one of the biggest buyers for buying groups, I have done millions in transactions and have sent to every group there is over the past 3 years. Most buying groups are okay, some scan in slower than others, some pay slower than others - most will lose a few packages over the year. You can research and find which are better for you.

However there is a bigger problem now with Amazon itself.  Amazon in the past has been great with any problems always ready with a refund for lost packages even if it was thousands of dollars. Lately Amazon has clamped down and has tagged these buying groups addresses  in their systems as "freight forwarder" and now no longer will fix any problem you have whatsoever. Doesn't matter what the problem is, even if it shows the package was never delivered, amazon will not help you in any way. Their copy and paste response will always be "this item was sent to a freight forwarder and we're unable to replace or refund the item. We recommend contacting your freight forwarder for more details, as we don't have any more insight or information regarding this matter, For more information about sending items via freight forwarders, please visit our Help Pages: https://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html?nodeId=201117950." As well the amazon drivers either must know this or have been increasingly bad at delivering packages because the numbers of packages missing has gone up astronomically. Previously you would have very few packages missing, now the past 3 months I have had 59 "lost" packages. I now have over $15,000 of loses and some guy in Delaware is probably living the life with all the stuff he stole from me. I will survive, I have made a lot more than $15,000 over the years however just a warning to others here that things are not as they used to be and it really is no longer worth doing buring groups with all the loses piling up

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« Reply #3580 on: August 09, 2019, 04:15:54 PM »
they didn’t stand a chance so they dropped it

...except they spent hundreds of hours (and perhaps thousands and thousands of dollars) preparing pleadings and a motion for a TRO. 

If they "didn't stand a chance," why even bother with it at all?
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« Reply #3581 on: August 10, 2019, 09:23:51 PM »
...except they spent hundreds of hours (and perhaps thousands and thousands of dollars) preparing pleadings and a motion for a TRO. 

If they "didn't stand a chance," why even bother with it at all?
i quoted what the judge told them

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« Reply #3582 on: August 11, 2019, 02:55:25 PM »
...except they spent hundreds of hours (and perhaps thousands and thousands of dollars) preparing pleadings and a motion for a TRO. 

If they "didn't stand a chance," why even bother with it at all?
maybe once they realized what they were up against...
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« Reply #3583 on: August 11, 2019, 05:00:04 PM »
That's like claiming not to know what happens when you kick over hornets' nest.
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« Reply #3584 on: August 12, 2019, 09:56:23 AM »
That's like claiming not to know what happens when you kick over hornets' nest.
::) ;D ;D fair point
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« Reply #3585 on: September 15, 2019, 06:11:42 PM »
Is this yet another one?

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« Reply #3586 on: September 15, 2019, 07:29:44 PM »
was hanging on bulletin board for a few weeks already.
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« Reply #3587 on: September 16, 2019, 04:11:20 PM »
Just hearing now that a neighbor sold $1500 Worth of points to a company named ************** and now 2 years later still hasn't seen a penny.
        He told me went down to the office to see if you can meet the guy himself who said he mailed a check, all he saw were some computers and some people working there.
   Curious if you can do anything two years later?

  I hate hearing when people tell me such stories.
 If you going to sell your miles at least do a bit of research before selling.
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #3590 on: September 16, 2019, 07:25:23 PM »
This guy? https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=18685.msg1890274#msg1890274
how is such a guy still around I don't understand that?
   Story after story after story...
or better people shouldn't be selling their miles to people without any good references.
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« Reply #3591 on: September 16, 2019, 07:26:36 PM »
Who said he's still out there? Your story as well as the post are almost 2 years old.

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« Reply #3592 on: September 16, 2019, 07:27:25 PM »
Who said he's still out there? Your story as well as the post are almost 2 years old.
True saying good.
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #3593 on: September 16, 2019, 08:58:49 PM »
or better people shouldn't be selling their miles to people without any good references.
He used to be reliable. Had good references

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #3594 on: September 16, 2019, 09:01:02 PM »
He used to be reliable. Had good references
References mean a big fat 0.
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« Reply #3595 on: September 16, 2019, 09:02:38 PM »
He used to be reliable. Had good references
True. I transacted business with him and all went smooth, not for miles though. I always got paid upfront for miles even if the buyer didn't use them right away (which can be really annoying as well....)
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #3596 on: September 16, 2019, 09:04:54 PM »
He used to be reliable. Had good references
References mean a big fat 0.
Usually references would mean alot, however, just like anything else in life this can be gamed. Play nicely for a year to build up a nice good reputation and then one day....
However that's not usually how the world turns.


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« Reply #3597 on: September 16, 2019, 09:13:29 PM »
Usually references would mean alot, however, just like anything else in life this can be gamed. Play nicely for a year to build up a nice good reputation and then one day....
However that's not usually how the world turns.
Saying I have done deals with abc and no issues does not help much. Now if you had a deal go bad, then how that person handles it means a lot. I learned this the hard way.
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #3598 on: September 16, 2019, 09:19:01 PM »
Saying I have done deals with abc and no issues does not help much. Now if you had a deal go bad, then how that person handles it means a lot. I learned this the hard way.
You always hear this guy or that guy is great. You never truly know until something goes wrong. Then you can tell if someone is honorable!!!
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #3599 on: September 16, 2019, 09:24:54 PM »
References mean a big fat 0.
My point exactly