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https://www.dansdeals.com/more/dans-commentary/dark-side-earning-credit-card-points-psa-dont-swipe-others/

https://www.mixcloud.com/zev-brenner/talkline-with-zev-brenner-on-credit-card-scams-affecting-the-orthodox-jewish-community/

http://podcast.headlinesbook.com/e/31616-credit-card-miles-and-points-swiping-for-rewards-buying-and-selling-miles-is-it-assur-and-a-chillul-hashem-or-a-great-way-for-a-side-parnassah/



BEFORE SWIPING FOR SOMEONE READ THIS: (first hand story)

https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=36812.msg2062371#msg2062371
https://www.dansdeals.com/more/dans-commentary/dark-side-earning-credit-card-points-psa-dont-swipe-others/#comment-1399884


Dan's warning to DDF:
I hope people realize that any buying group or anyone else that gets merchandise in advance of payment can go south at any time. That's even if you get a check at the time of delivery.
X-posting as I don't want anyone to say that I never put a warning here.

A story that ended up in court - https://iapps.courts.state.ny.us/nyscef/DocumentList?docketId=iRcRHuyZUdOIx69D00a5XQ==&display=all&courtType=Kings%20County%20Supreme%20Court&resultsPageNum=1


I am one of the biggest buyers for buying groups, I have done millions in transactions and have sent to every group there is over the past 3 years. Most buying groups are okay, some scan in slower than others, some pay slower than others - most will lose a few packages over the year. You can research and find which are better for you.

However there is a bigger problem now with Amazon itself.  Amazon in the past has been great with any problems always ready with a refund for lost packages even if it was thousands of dollars. Lately Amazon has clamped down and has tagged these buying groups addresses  in their systems as "freight forwarder" and now no longer will fix any problem you have whatsoever. Doesn't matter what the problem is, even if it shows the package was never delivered, amazon will not help you in any way. Their copy and paste response will always be "this item was sent to a freight forwarder and we're unable to replace or refund the item. We recommend contacting your freight forwarder for more details, as we don't have any more insight or information regarding this matter, For more information about sending items via freight forwarders, please visit our Help Pages: https://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html?nodeId=201117950." As well the amazon drivers either must know this or have been increasingly bad at delivering packages because the numbers of packages missing has gone up astronomically. Previously you would have very few packages missing, now the past 3 months I have had 59 "lost" packages. I now have over $15,000 of loses and some guy in Delaware is probably living the life with all the stuff he stole from me. I will survive, I have made a lot more than $15,000 over the years however just a warning to others here that things are not as they used to be and it really is no longer worth doing buring groups with all the loses piling up

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #3740 on: December 31, 2019, 10:28:44 AM »
Has anyone from the shtricher / toner case  been sued by the bank ?
Excuse my ignorance but why would the bank sue them?
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #3741 on: December 31, 2019, 10:39:50 AM »
Excuse my ignorance but why would the bank sue them?


they went against the t&c for example ?

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #3742 on: December 31, 2019, 10:40:58 AM »

they went against the t&c for example ?
Oh never mind I thought he asked if streicher has been sued. Gotta pay more attention next time
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #3743 on: January 04, 2020, 10:45:08 PM »
Weird story, there's clearly more going on here. I wonder what actually happened.

What am I missing? Why is it weird or is it clear there is more going on here? Just from what people have posted in this thread and Dan has posted on DDMS, the article seems to describe a “classic” swiping scheme. 

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #3744 on: January 05, 2020, 01:09:52 AM »
Afaik, someone messed them up, and as the guarantor he has to clean the mess.

I'm guessing that's why the other guys aren't being sued.

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #3745 on: January 11, 2020, 07:09:55 PM »
Would an merchant processing account get shut if a brother was making small charges of below$200. But adding up to 70k monthly?

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #3746 on: January 11, 2020, 09:18:26 PM »
Would an merchant processing account get shut if a brother was making small charges of below$200. But adding up to 70k monthly?
There isn't really a hard data answer for that, but It's definitely not a good idea.
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #3747 on: January 11, 2020, 09:21:41 PM »
Would an merchant processing account get shut if a brother was making small charges of below$200. But adding up to 70k monthly?
i.e.
350 swipes a month from a single card, with a name that happens just happens to match the owner...
... No, nothing to see here. Keep moving

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #3748 on: January 11, 2020, 11:01:09 PM »
i.e.
350 swipes a month from a single card, with a name that happens just happens to match the owner...
... No, nothing to see here. Keep moving

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #3752 on: May 31, 2020, 01:29:08 AM »
First of more, or the unlucky one?

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #3753 on: May 31, 2020, 01:36:50 AM »
Are they able to go after those who he paid to get the money back?
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #3754 on: May 31, 2020, 01:47:57 AM »
I met a farmer at a Pesach program who was bragging about this method.

I told him PGFHGS. Comes true more often than not.
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #3755 on: May 31, 2020, 02:00:08 AM »
Are they able to go after those who he paid to get the money back?
I doubt they'll even try.
I met a farmer at a Pesach program who was bragging about this method.

I told him PGFHGS. Comes true more often than not.
U should read the indictment,
The "elej"  something in the tune of 790 million rewards points...
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #3756 on: May 31, 2020, 02:10:46 AM »
Sounds like AMEX, but why are they trying to hide that?
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #3757 on: May 31, 2020, 02:11:12 AM »
I doubt they'll even try. U should read the indictment,
The "elej"  something in the tune of 790 million rewards points...
I found the cpm to be more interesting, 1.04.
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #3758 on: May 31, 2020, 02:16:39 AM »
I found the cpm to be more interesting, 1.04.
Was about to post that. Way below my assumption.

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #3759 on: May 31, 2020, 02:17:38 AM »
I found the cpm to be more interesting, 1.04.
maybe that's the average it costed amex when it sold them to the airlines?
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