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https://www.dansdeals.com/more/dans-commentary/dark-side-earning-credit-card-points-psa-dont-swipe-others/

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BEFORE SWIPING FOR SOMEONE READ THIS: (first hand story)

https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=36812.msg2062371#msg2062371
https://www.dansdeals.com/more/dans-commentary/dark-side-earning-credit-card-points-psa-dont-swipe-others/#comment-1399884


Dan's warning to DDF:
I hope people realize that any buying group or anyone else that gets merchandise in advance of payment can go south at any time. That's even if you get a check at the time of delivery.
X-posting as I don't want anyone to say that I never put a warning here.

A story that ended up in court - https://iapps.courts.state.ny.us/nyscef/DocumentList?docketId=iRcRHuyZUdOIx69D00a5XQ==&display=all&courtType=Kings%20County%20Supreme%20Court&resultsPageNum=1


I am one of the biggest buyers for buying groups, I have done millions in transactions and have sent to every group there is over the past 3 years. Most buying groups are okay, some scan in slower than others, some pay slower than others - most will lose a few packages over the year. You can research and find which are better for you.

However there is a bigger problem now with Amazon itself.  Amazon in the past has been great with any problems always ready with a refund for lost packages even if it was thousands of dollars. Lately Amazon has clamped down and has tagged these buying groups addresses  in their systems as "freight forwarder" and now no longer will fix any problem you have whatsoever. Doesn't matter what the problem is, even if it shows the package was never delivered, amazon will not help you in any way. Their copy and paste response will always be "this item was sent to a freight forwarder and we're unable to replace or refund the item. We recommend contacting your freight forwarder for more details, as we don't have any more insight or information regarding this matter, For more information about sending items via freight forwarders, please visit our Help Pages: https://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html?nodeId=201117950." As well the amazon drivers either must know this or have been increasingly bad at delivering packages because the numbers of packages missing has gone up astronomically. Previously you would have very few packages missing, now the past 3 months I have had 59 "lost" packages. I now have over $15,000 of loses and some guy in Delaware is probably living the life with all the stuff he stole from me. I will survive, I have made a lot more than $15,000 over the years however just a warning to others here that things are not as they used to be and it really is no longer worth doing buring groups with all the loses piling up

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #3860 on: August 09, 2020, 11:38:27 PM »
No. Stricher is toner guy
Wasn't neuman also toner? And Sterling?
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #3865 on: August 10, 2020, 10:51:26 AM »
I'm not so sure.  I heard he had consent forms from everyone that they know that they are giving him unsecured loans.  I also heard that the judge claimed that you can't say i gave him permission,  and then when it goes bust two years later you say you never allowed him to use your cards

I have nothing with him and i actually hate people that prey on innocent/greedy people.  I'm just explaining the case

You heard incorrectly. Probably best to refrain from spreading things you’re unsure about.

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #3866 on: August 10, 2020, 10:57:46 AM »
I'm not so sure.  I heard he had consent forms from everyone that they know that they are giving him unsecured loans.  I also heard that the judge claimed that you can't say i gave him permission,  and then when it goes bust two years later you say you never allowed him to use your cards

I have nothing with him and i actually hate people that prey on innocent/greedy people.  I'm just explaining the case
The judge is corrupt,
She was arrested 1 month after (for a separate thing) and has a court case happening soon, was pushed off for corona.

(Stam, side note, there's a reason torah doesn't allow female judges)

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #3867 on: August 10, 2020, 10:58:06 AM »
By a corrupt judge
You heard incorrectly. Probably best to refrain from spreading things you’re unsure about.
I know nothing about the case other than what was mentioned here, but if you are going to claim that the judge was corrupt you better have something to back that up other than his having ruled against your preferred outcome. What kind of corruption was there?
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #3868 on: August 10, 2020, 10:58:54 AM »
I know nothing about the case other than what was mentioned here, but if you are going to claim that the judge was corrupt you better have something to back that up other than his having ruled against your preferred outcome. What kind of corruption was there?
Just Google her name, sylvia ash

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #3869 on: August 10, 2020, 11:03:30 AM »
I'm not so sure.  I heard he had consent forms from everyone that they know that they are giving him unsecured loans.  I also heard that the judge claimed that you can't say i gave him permission,  and then when it goes bust two years later you say you never allowed him to use your cards

I have nothing with him and i actually hate people that prey on innocent/greedy people.  I'm just explaining the case
There weren't consent forms,
However there were some forms that he signed that he was buying merchandise with the cc

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #3870 on: August 10, 2020, 11:20:43 AM »
Ok i bow out. Just yesterday was sitting with someone that sounded like he know this case.  I guess not
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #3871 on: August 10, 2020, 11:26:18 AM »
Just Google her name, sylvia ash
Okay, is there any reason to think her alleged corruption had an effect on this case?

There weren't consent forms,
However there were some forms that he signed that he was buying merchandise with the cc
That sounds like a consent for him to be using the credit line for his own purposes.

That would not make him any less of a ganif but can make a big difference in the available claims in court.
Feelings don't care about your facts

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #3872 on: August 10, 2020, 11:29:20 AM »
Okay, is there any reason to think her alleged corruption had an effect on this case?
That sounds like a consent for him to be using the credit line for his own purposes.

That would not make him any less of a ganif but can make a big difference in the available claims in court.
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #3873 on: August 10, 2020, 11:35:08 AM »
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He obviously didn't fulfil his obligation to pay on time, but the charge was not an unauthorized one.
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #3874 on: August 10, 2020, 11:40:00 AM »
He obviously didn't fulfil his obligation to pay on time, but the charge was not an unauthorized one.
Well if he wasn't buying merchandise with it than it was unauthorized

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #3875 on: August 10, 2020, 11:40:29 AM »
This is looking more and more like a breach of contract case and not straight up fraud. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #3876 on: August 10, 2020, 11:41:23 AM »
Well if he wasn't buying merchandise with it than it was unauthorized
Ah he was using it for things other than merchandise? I didn't realize that.
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #3877 on: August 10, 2020, 11:42:00 AM »
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

That is a lesson that some seem to have learned the hard way.
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #3878 on: August 10, 2020, 11:42:09 AM »
Ah he was using it for things other than merchandise? I didn't realize that.
He had a 1 million dollar loan from BOA, plus other loans I think

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #3879 on: August 10, 2020, 11:42:54 AM »
He obviously didn't fulfil his obligation to pay on time, but the charge was not an unauthorized one.

For the most part, I don't believe people are claiming the charges were not authorized. He often did swipe peoples cards for unauthorized amounts at unauthorized times. But the point of the letter is that he was not authorized to swipe the card to use it to pay someone else's swiped card and cycle the funds to pay other peoples cards off. He made a promise to use it for legitimate business spend and a promise to repay. Both of which he failed to do.