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BEFORE SWIPING FOR SOMEONE READ THIS: (first hand story)

https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=36812.msg2062371#msg2062371
https://www.dansdeals.com/more/dans-commentary/dark-side-earning-credit-card-points-psa-dont-swipe-others/#comment-1399884


Dan's warning to DDF:
I hope people realize that any buying group or anyone else that gets merchandise in advance of payment can go south at any time. That's even if you get a check at the time of delivery.
X-posting as I don't want anyone to say that I never put a warning here.

A story that ended up in court - https://iapps.courts.state.ny.us/nyscef/DocumentList?docketId=iRcRHuyZUdOIx69D00a5XQ==&display=all&courtType=Kings%20County%20Supreme%20Court&resultsPageNum=1


I am one of the biggest buyers for buying groups, I have done millions in transactions and have sent to every group there is over the past 3 years. Most buying groups are okay, some scan in slower than others, some pay slower than others - most will lose a few packages over the year. You can research and find which are better for you.

However there is a bigger problem now with Amazon itself.  Amazon in the past has been great with any problems always ready with a refund for lost packages even if it was thousands of dollars. Lately Amazon has clamped down and has tagged these buying groups addresses  in their systems as "freight forwarder" and now no longer will fix any problem you have whatsoever. Doesn't matter what the problem is, even if it shows the package was never delivered, amazon will not help you in any way. Their copy and paste response will always be "this item was sent to a freight forwarder and we're unable to replace or refund the item. We recommend contacting your freight forwarder for more details, as we don't have any more insight or information regarding this matter, For more information about sending items via freight forwarders, please visit our Help Pages: https://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html?nodeId=201117950." As well the amazon drivers either must know this or have been increasingly bad at delivering packages because the numbers of packages missing has gone up astronomically. Previously you would have very few packages missing, now the past 3 months I have had 59 "lost" packages. I now have over $15,000 of loses and some guy in Delaware is probably living the life with all the stuff he stole from me. I will survive, I have made a lot more than $15,000 over the years however just a warning to others here that things are not as they used to be and it really is no longer worth doing buring groups with all the loses piling up

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #3880 on: August 10, 2020, 01:36:00 PM »
For the most part, I don't believe people are claiming the charges were not authorized. He often did swipe peoples cards for unauthorized amounts at unauthorized times. But the point of the letter is that he was not authorized to swipe the card to use it to pay someone else's swiped card and cycle the funds to pay other peoples cards off. He made a promise to use it for legitimate business spend and a promise to repay. Both of which he failed to do.
BH I had no involvement in any of these cases. But if legal means fail to produce any sort of payment plan, I'm surprised everyone seems content to let him live out his life peacefully.

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #3881 on: August 10, 2020, 01:36:24 PM »
Ah he was using it for things other than merchandise? I didn't realize that.

Wasn't he swiping at his own business?

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #3882 on: August 10, 2020, 07:05:47 PM »
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Anyone whoever met striecher in person would never have signed such a form. I met him a few times in Denver. He was a very unsophisticated person when he was talking to me about finance among other things. As an aside didn't he have issues with a real estate deal like a decade ago?
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #3883 on: August 11, 2020, 11:14:24 PM »
4th Post. This time the person swiped at his own business amd opened 6 new cards in a short period.
https://www.reddit.com/r/CreditCards/comments/i55izy/do_not_do_this_if_you_want_your_credit_card_to

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #3884 on: August 11, 2020, 11:43:34 PM »
4th Post. This time the person swiped at his own business amd opened 6 new cards in a short period.
https://www.reddit.com/r/CreditCards/comments/i55izy/do_not_do_this_if_you_want_your_credit_card_to
Weird that home value was a factor. I'd think swiping at own business is more than enough for closure.
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #3885 on: August 12, 2020, 12:51:14 AM »
Weird that home value was a factor. I'd think swiping at own business is more than enough for closure.
I think he just mentioned it as part of the picture. That he seems to be over claiming his income if he has such low housing expenses, yet can't pay down more than the minimum on his credit card balance.

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #3886 on: August 12, 2020, 11:00:19 AM »
Weird that home value was a factor. I'd think swiping at own business is more than enough for closure.
Seems like they don't consider swiping at your own business that risky after all. (Once at least.)

https://www.reddit.com/r/CreditCards/comments/i55izy/do_not_do_this_if_you_want_your_credit_card_to/g0o44w4/

"Some of the transaction could be explainable to trying to keep their business afloat, such as the large bodega (his store) transactions."


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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #3887 on: August 12, 2020, 11:24:33 AM »


Seems like they don't consider swiping at your own business that risky after all. (Once at least.)

Probably only if it's a somewhat proper business.
Swiping on a square account that barely has any business data probably wouldn't be the same

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #3889 on: October 09, 2020, 03:15:34 PM »
What's the story with the recent 3000 dollar palladium coin MYS buying group are giving me problems about accepting it now (super nerve wracking).
Anyone recieve labels from MYS?
Anyone have any issues with MYS recently?

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #3890 on: October 09, 2020, 03:19:45 PM »
Anyone have any issues with MYS recently?
what kind? A couple weeks ago they lied and said packages delivered on yom kippur and the friday prior really came tuesday. While not proven, they also seem to have delayed scans so they can check in packages at lower prices. For the record, I think they did end up retracting their ridiculous behavior and paid out the originally promised prices.

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #3891 on: October 09, 2020, 03:25:08 PM »
what kind? A couple weeks ago they lied and said packages delivered on yom kippur and the friday prior really came tuesday. While not proven, they also seem to have delayed scans so they can check in packages at lower prices.
+1
They lowered prices on items that were delivered that day by $30 a piece (×12)
As well as not posting a deadline for shipment of coins on WhatsApp (I DM Owner last week,no response) and now see an Email that deadline was Oct. 6th.

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #3892 on: October 09, 2020, 04:50:03 PM »
Anyone have any issues with MYS recently?
My items have been taking about a week longer to scan in but I assume that's due to Yom tov.

I actually received my checks quite fast recently.

I didn't buy the coin however, these were the regular deals.
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #3893 on: October 09, 2020, 05:27:18 PM »
The judge is corrupt,
She was arrested 1 month after (for a separate thing) and has a court case happening soon, was pushed off for corona.

(Stam, side note, there's a reason torah doesn't allow female judges)

A bit sexist, not sure how her gender plays into this https://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/1252255/jewish/Why-Are-There-No-Female-Judges-in-Torah.htm ...

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
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« Reply #3896 on: October 09, 2020, 05:31:35 PM »
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #3897 on: October 09, 2020, 05:32:10 PM »
My items have been taking about a week longer to scan in but I assume that's due to Yom tov.

I actually received my checks quite fast recently.

I didn't buy the coin however, these were the regular deals.
The issue is they are changing the price after it was shipped bassed on when its scanned.

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #3898 on: October 10, 2020, 02:40:45 PM »
The issue is they are changing the price after it was shipped bassed on when its scanned.
they are purposely delaying scanning to say it came in after deadline, my packages were all shown delivered before deadline, but they refuse to honor the prices.
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #3899 on: October 11, 2020, 08:29:50 PM »
My items have been taking about a week longer to scan in but I assume that's due to Yom tov.
It seems like there's always some Yom Tov going on in that place. Anything to squeeze a little more... Be careful folks!