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BEFORE SWIPING FOR SOMEONE READ THIS: (first hand story)

https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=36812.msg2062371#msg2062371
https://www.dansdeals.com/more/dans-commentary/dark-side-earning-credit-card-points-psa-dont-swipe-others/#comment-1399884


Dan's warning to DDF:
I hope people realize that any buying group or anyone else that gets merchandise in advance of payment can go south at any time. That's even if you get a check at the time of delivery.
X-posting as I don't want anyone to say that I never put a warning here.

A story that ended up in court - https://iapps.courts.state.ny.us/nyscef/DocumentList?docketId=iRcRHuyZUdOIx69D00a5XQ==&display=all&courtType=Kings%20County%20Supreme%20Court&resultsPageNum=1


I am one of the biggest buyers for buying groups, I have done millions in transactions and have sent to every group there is over the past 3 years. Most buying groups are okay, some scan in slower than others, some pay slower than others - most will lose a few packages over the year. You can research and find which are better for you.

However there is a bigger problem now with Amazon itself.  Amazon in the past has been great with any problems always ready with a refund for lost packages even if it was thousands of dollars. Lately Amazon has clamped down and has tagged these buying groups addresses  in their systems as "freight forwarder" and now no longer will fix any problem you have whatsoever. Doesn't matter what the problem is, even if it shows the package was never delivered, amazon will not help you in any way. Their copy and paste response will always be "this item was sent to a freight forwarder and we're unable to replace or refund the item. We recommend contacting your freight forwarder for more details, as we don't have any more insight or information regarding this matter, For more information about sending items via freight forwarders, please visit our Help Pages: https://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html?nodeId=201117950." As well the amazon drivers either must know this or have been increasingly bad at delivering packages because the numbers of packages missing has gone up astronomically. Previously you would have very few packages missing, now the past 3 months I have had 59 "lost" packages. I now have over $15,000 of loses and some guy in Delaware is probably living the life with all the stuff he stole from me. I will survive, I have made a lot more than $15,000 over the years however just a warning to others here that things are not as they used to be and it really is no longer worth doing buring groups with all the loses piling up

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #3920 on: October 16, 2020, 12:56:03 PM »
Ye I usually fall into cat 1 occasionally cat 2 but how does cat 3 use GCs? Doesn't amazon shut you down for using GCs to ship to DE?
Why are you assuming they are using GCs on amazon?
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #3921 on: October 16, 2020, 01:02:54 PM »
IME there are four categories of buyers

1) Those who use them just to hit SUBs

2) Those who use them to generally rack up points by buying often and selectively choosing what cards/GCs they use

3) Those who use them to make serious money by scaling and negotiating commissions

4) Those who don’t know the system that well and are trying to make a few dollars and some points

The first 3 ways have their merits, but the 4th (which is many people) end up making very little money for their time/risk.
definitely agree to this in some ways
The 2nd way of racking up cc points ect sometimes can be like the 4th way especially with big buying groups and bc.
But if you know your game well than can make some money.
But if making small money ect to sit there and wait and wait for a check.
Not worth it to make a few pennies for a month loan.
Keep calm and move on

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #3922 on: October 16, 2020, 01:14:35 PM »
Doesn't amazon shut you down for using GCs to ship to DE?
Is that from personal experience?
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #3923 on: October 16, 2020, 01:15:15 PM »
Is that from personal experience?
No. Never tried cuz I heard too many stories. None personal though. Can anyone back up?
Ink cash 5x office supply store Amazon GC for Bags would be great though
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #3924 on: October 16, 2020, 01:16:19 PM »
No. Never tried cuz I heard too many stories. None personal though. Can anyone back up?
Can you be more specific? We're they burning through GCs?
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #3925 on: October 16, 2020, 01:17:08 PM »
Can you be more specific? We're they burning through GCs?
Supposedly if you use GC balance on amazon to ship to a BG DE address it would be a flag for a shutdown
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #3926 on: October 16, 2020, 01:19:53 PM »
Supposedly if you use GC balance on amazon to ship to a BG DE address it would be a flag for a shutdown
Worse. they would cancel your order and NOT refund you the GC!

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #3927 on: October 16, 2020, 01:20:32 PM »
Worse. they would cancel your order and NOT refund you the GC!
Ye forgot to add even if you have 20k of balance...
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #3928 on: October 16, 2020, 01:22:13 PM »
Does it matter how much the GC are?
I personally have done it, never had an order cancelled.
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #3929 on: October 16, 2020, 01:33:52 PM »
Does it matter how much the GC are?
I personally have done it, never had an order cancelled.
The T&C are clear:

Limitations.
Your Amazon.com Balance cannot be used to purchase other Gift Cards, prepaid open loop cards, or certain third-party gift cards. Gift Cards cannot be reloaded; resold; used for payment outside of www.amazon.com or its affiliated properties; used for unauthorized advertising, marketing, sweepstakes, promotional or commercial purposes, including to facilitate the resale or shipment of goods from Amazon.com

We reserve the right, without notice to you, to void Gift Cards (including as a component of your Amazon.com Balance) without a refund, suspend or terminate customer accounts, suspend or terminate the ability to use our services, cancel or limit orders, and bill alternative forms of payment if we suspect that a Gift Card is obtained, used, or applied to an Amazon.com account (or your Amazon.com Balance is applied to a purchase) fraudulently, unlawfully, or otherwise in violation of these terms and conditions.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html?nodeId=201936990

There has been reports on here about Gc being voided.

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #3930 on: October 16, 2020, 01:40:49 PM »
The T&C are clear:

Limitations.
Your Amazon.com Balance cannot be used to purchase other Gift Cards, prepaid open loop cards, or certain third-party gift cards. Gift Cards cannot be reloaded; resold; used for payment outside of www.amazon.com or its affiliated properties; used for unauthorized advertising, marketing, sweepstakes, promotional or commercial purposes, including to facilitate the resale or shipment of goods from Amazon.com

We reserve the right, without notice to you, to void Gift Cards (including as a component of your Amazon.com Balance) without a refund, suspend or terminate customer accounts, suspend or terminate the ability to use our services, cancel or limit orders, and bill alternative forms of payment if we suspect that a Gift Card is obtained, used, or applied to an Amazon.com account (or your Amazon.com Balance is applied to a purchase) fraudulently, unlawfully, or otherwise in violation of these terms and conditions.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html?nodeId=201936990

There has been reports on here about Gc being voided.
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #3931 on: October 16, 2020, 02:14:47 PM »
Had accounts shutdown and GC balance taken away for shipping to DE

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #3932 on: October 16, 2020, 02:16:07 PM »
Had accounts shutdown and GC balance taken away for shipping to DE
is it possible to get the GC refunded?

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #3933 on: October 16, 2020, 02:38:18 PM »
Had accounts shutdown and GC balance taken away for shipping to DE
How much spending did you do? Were you only using GCs or did you order also on your credit card?
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #3934 on: October 16, 2020, 02:40:54 PM »
Times have changed, I recall BITGOD spending north of 100k on Cyber Monday at Staples using CIBP. The BG would offer +commission on most items and ordering on BB and other online retailers was a breeze. Now, the BG are mostly selling below cost, with the margins so low, one order goes wrong and you are in the red.
IMO it simply isn't worth it, other than for SUB.

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #3935 on: October 16, 2020, 02:52:24 PM »
Times have changed, I recall BITGOD spending north of 100k on Cyber Monday at Staples using CIBP. The BG would offer +commission on most items and ordering on BB and other online retailers was a breeze. Now, the BG are mostly selling below cost, with the margins so low, one order goes wrong and you are in the red.
IMO it simply isn't worth it, other than for SUB.
I feel exactly the same. I only use them for a SUB.
The removed commissions, order cancellations, and FILLING THE FORMS just killed it for me.

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #3936 on: October 16, 2020, 03:52:22 PM »


IMO it simply isn't worth it, other than for SUB.
+1MM

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #3937 on: October 16, 2020, 03:53:11 PM »
I feel exactly the same. I only use them for a SUB.
The removed commissions, order cancellations, and FILLING THE FORMS just killed it for me.
That's why I always fill the form before I order and if it gets canceled I replace the quantity with a zero
Still looking for a good MS method :)

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #3938 on: October 16, 2020, 04:00:15 PM »
I feel exactly the same. I only use them for a SUB.
The removed commissions, order cancellations, and FILLING THE FORMS just killed it for me.
Not to mention filling it a form for every single order, and even when they buy at cost, there's no guarantee they won't change the price on a whim even on existing orders.
My take away: stay away from BG.

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #3939 on: October 16, 2020, 04:32:55 PM »
Not to mention filling it a form for every single order, and even when they buy at cost, there's no guarantee they won't change the price on a whim even on existing orders.
My take away: stay away from BG.
Back to the UPS method ;)
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