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BEFORE SWIPING FOR SOMEONE READ THIS: (first hand story)

https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=36812.msg2062371#msg2062371
https://www.dansdeals.com/more/dans-commentary/dark-side-earning-credit-card-points-psa-dont-swipe-others/#comment-1399884


Dan's warning to DDF:
I hope people realize that any buying group or anyone else that gets merchandise in advance of payment can go south at any time. That's even if you get a check at the time of delivery.
X-posting as I don't want anyone to say that I never put a warning here.

A story that ended up in court - https://iapps.courts.state.ny.us/nyscef/DocumentList?docketId=iRcRHuyZUdOIx69D00a5XQ==&display=all&courtType=Kings%20County%20Supreme%20Court&resultsPageNum=1


I am one of the biggest buyers for buying groups, I have done millions in transactions and have sent to every group there is over the past 3 years. Most buying groups are okay, some scan in slower than others, some pay slower than others - most will lose a few packages over the year. You can research and find which are better for you.

However there is a bigger problem now with Amazon itself.  Amazon in the past has been great with any problems always ready with a refund for lost packages even if it was thousands of dollars. Lately Amazon has clamped down and has tagged these buying groups addresses  in their systems as "freight forwarder" and now no longer will fix any problem you have whatsoever. Doesn't matter what the problem is, even if it shows the package was never delivered, amazon will not help you in any way. Their copy and paste response will always be "this item was sent to a freight forwarder and we're unable to replace or refund the item. We recommend contacting your freight forwarder for more details, as we don't have any more insight or information regarding this matter, For more information about sending items via freight forwarders, please visit our Help Pages: https://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html?nodeId=201117950." As well the amazon drivers either must know this or have been increasingly bad at delivering packages because the numbers of packages missing has gone up astronomically. Previously you would have very few packages missing, now the past 3 months I have had 59 "lost" packages. I now have over $15,000 of loses and some guy in Delaware is probably living the life with all the stuff he stole from me. I will survive, I have made a lot more than $15,000 over the years however just a warning to others here that things are not as they used to be and it really is no longer worth doing buring groups with all the loses piling up

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #3940 on: October 17, 2020, 02:43:06 PM »
Had accounts shutdown and GC balance taken away for shipping to DE
on large amounts only, or also on small amounts?

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #3941 on: October 18, 2020, 12:53:29 AM »
Not to mention filling it a form for every single order, and even when they buy at cost, there's no guarantee they won't change the price on a whim even on existing orders.
My take away: stay away from BG.
Forms mean nothing. If they want the item they will take it even if you didnt fill out form and if they don't want it they will make you return even with the forms (see usa watches now).

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #3942 on: October 18, 2020, 12:55:24 AM »
The T&C are clear:

Limitations.
Your Amazon.com Balance cannot be used to purchase other Gift Cards, prepaid open loop cards, or certain third-party gift cards. Gift Cards cannot be reloaded; resold; used for payment outside of www.amazon.com or its affiliated properties; used for unauthorized advertising, marketing, sweepstakes, promotional or commercial purposes, including to facilitate the resale or shipment of goods from Amazon.com

We reserve the right, without notice to you, to void Gift Cards (including as a component of your Amazon.com Balance) without a refund, suspend or terminate customer accounts, suspend or terminate the ability to use our services, cancel or limit orders, and bill alternative forms of payment if we suspect that a Gift Card is obtained, used, or applied to an Amazon.com account (or your Amazon.com Balance is applied to a purchase) fraudulently, unlawfully, or otherwise in violation of these terms and conditions.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html?nodeId=201936990

There has been reports on here about Gc being voided.

What about using ones promotional balance for BGs?
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #3943 on: October 18, 2020, 12:55:55 AM »
Now, the BG are mostly selling below cost,
I think they might be coming back. With the qmex 5% capped at 120k per calendar year they may not get as much quantity from their big buyers and need to offer full price and possibly even commission. Prime day didnt really see one deal at bc.

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #3944 on: October 18, 2020, 01:05:38 AM »
Prime day didnt really see one deal at bc.
Yeah, but not much commission either
120 characters? Hmm, I wonder what I could write with 64 characters. Boy, it's gonna be hard to use up 15 characters. W-

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #3945 on: October 18, 2020, 01:08:06 AM »
Yeah, but not much commission either
plenty for bb

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #3946 on: October 18, 2020, 01:09:04 AM »
plenty for bb
Who is still able to get bb through?
120 characters? Hmm, I wonder what I could write with 64 characters. Boy, it's gonna be hard to use up 15 characters. W-

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #3947 on: October 18, 2020, 01:09:47 AM »
Who is still able to get bb through?
I've had my runs. Heard of plenty of people who just did now

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #3948 on: October 18, 2020, 01:11:13 AM »
I just had bb cancel a personal order to my house, must have been the credit card I tried to use in the past
120 characters? Hmm, I wonder what I could write with 64 characters. Boy, it's gonna be hard to use up 15 characters. W-

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PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #3949 on: October 18, 2020, 01:11:57 AM »
I just had bb cancel a personal order to my house, must have been the credit card I tried to use in the past
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They flagged your billing address. You're screwed until you move. And even then if you use an flagged credit card or phone number, your new address will be flagged too.

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #3950 on: October 18, 2020, 01:12:51 AM »
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They flagged your billing address. You're screwed until you move.
conspiracy theories

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #3951 on: October 18, 2020, 01:13:06 AM »
conspiracy theories
Personal experience.

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #3952 on: October 18, 2020, 01:13:44 AM »
Personal experience.
and you know that that is the trigger?

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #3953 on: October 18, 2020, 01:15:37 AM »
So basically I can't shop at bb again until I have a:
New address
New card
New phone number

Correct?
120 characters? Hmm, I wonder what I could write with 64 characters. Boy, it's gonna be hard to use up 15 characters. W-

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #3954 on: October 18, 2020, 01:16:02 AM »
and you know that that is the trigger?
Things I've tried:
New credit card.
New phone number.
New IP address.
New name.
New shipping address.
No tax exempt card.

Hasn't worked even with a physical move.

I've been flagged for 3-4 years. Calling them hasn't helped (haven't found the correct department perhaps).

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #3955 on: October 18, 2020, 01:17:03 AM »
Things I've tried:
New credit card.
New phone number.
New IP address.
New name.
New shipping address.
No tax exempt card.

Hasn't worked even with a physical move.

I've been flagged for 3-4 years. Calling them hasn't helped (haven't found the correct department perhaps).
How do they know it's you?
120 characters? Hmm, I wonder what I could write with 64 characters. Boy, it's gonna be hard to use up 15 characters. W-

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #3956 on: October 18, 2020, 01:17:54 AM »
How do they know it's you?
I'm assuming when I moved I must've tried to order with an old credit card or some other identifying piece of info which then flagged my new billing address.

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« Reply #3957 on: October 18, 2020, 01:18:14 AM »
How do they know it's you?

His wife keeps telling them. Keeps the CCs clear.
Failing at maintaining Lurker status.

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« Reply #3958 on: October 18, 2020, 01:18:32 AM »
I'm assuming when I moved I must've tried to order with an old credit card or some other identifying piece of info which then flagged my new billing address.
120 characters? Hmm, I wonder what I could write with 64 characters. Boy, it's gonna be hard to use up 15 characters. W-

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« Reply #3959 on: October 18, 2020, 01:18:37 AM »
How do they know it's you?
You've given me an idea. I'm curious if I can use PayPal Key (specify a new billing address) for this.