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BEFORE SWIPING FOR SOMEONE READ THIS: (first hand story)

https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=36812.msg2062371#msg2062371
https://www.dansdeals.com/more/dans-commentary/dark-side-earning-credit-card-points-psa-dont-swipe-others/#comment-1399884


Dan's warning to DDF:
I hope people realize that any buying group or anyone else that gets merchandise in advance of payment can go south at any time. That's even if you get a check at the time of delivery.
X-posting as I don't want anyone to say that I never put a warning here.

A story that ended up in court - https://iapps.courts.state.ny.us/nyscef/DocumentList?docketId=iRcRHuyZUdOIx69D00a5XQ==&display=all&courtType=Kings%20County%20Supreme%20Court&resultsPageNum=1


I am one of the biggest buyers for buying groups, I have done millions in transactions and have sent to every group there is over the past 3 years. Most buying groups are okay, some scan in slower than others, some pay slower than others - most will lose a few packages over the year. You can research and find which are better for you.

However there is a bigger problem now with Amazon itself.  Amazon in the past has been great with any problems always ready with a refund for lost packages even if it was thousands of dollars. Lately Amazon has clamped down and has tagged these buying groups addresses  in their systems as "freight forwarder" and now no longer will fix any problem you have whatsoever. Doesn't matter what the problem is, even if it shows the package was never delivered, amazon will not help you in any way. Their copy and paste response will always be "this item was sent to a freight forwarder and we're unable to replace or refund the item. We recommend contacting your freight forwarder for more details, as we don't have any more insight or information regarding this matter, For more information about sending items via freight forwarders, please visit our Help Pages: https://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html?nodeId=201117950." As well the amazon drivers either must know this or have been increasingly bad at delivering packages because the numbers of packages missing has gone up astronomically. Previously you would have very few packages missing, now the past 3 months I have had 59 "lost" packages. I now have over $15,000 of loses and some guy in Delaware is probably living the life with all the stuff he stole from me. I will survive, I have made a lot more than $15,000 over the years however just a warning to others here that things are not as they used to be and it really is no longer worth doing buring groups with all the loses piling up

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #4000 on: November 20, 2020, 10:38:18 AM »
Anyone know about the new one? Closeoutnj
Still looking for a good MS method :)

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #4001 on: November 20, 2020, 10:57:46 AM »
Nope. I stay far away from them.
What is it?

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #4002 on: November 20, 2020, 04:35:00 PM »
Anyone know about the new one? Closeoutnj
seems like tons of new groups popping up (all using that same software). Maybe they will force the big guys to offer commission and pay faster. This is the third that I have just recently heard of (pinnacle and emb are the others)

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #4003 on: November 21, 2020, 09:20:13 PM »
seems like tons of new groups popping up (all using that same software). Maybe they will force the big guys to offer commission and pay faster. This is the third that I have just recently heard of (pinnacle and emb are the others)
Pinnacle has been around for a little while perhaps though on a smaller scale. I only heard good things.

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #4004 on: November 21, 2020, 10:08:20 PM »
seems like tons of new groups popping up (all using that same software). Maybe they will force the big guys to offer commission and pay faster. This is the third that I have just recently heard of (pinnacle and emb are the others)
I have been dealing w EMB and Closeout. Closeout for prob 2 years and Emb for 6 months. They are both great. They both scan in right away and pay fast. EMB is a huge company and have been using other buying groups until they opened up to buy items from so they have been around for a long time except not as there own group.

EMB has lots of money behind them as they are a huge company and pay every evening the checks that were requested that day. (They should all pi cheshbon be putting MYS out of business)

Closeout used to pay every motzei shabbos all checks but have not orders for them in little while so not sure.

I know someone who had been ordering for pinnacle as well for long time and very happy but no personal experience.

PS I heard from a friend that works for a buying group that all the groups think that it’s a matter of time that MYS goes under and they are getting smaller and smaller...

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #4005 on: November 21, 2020, 11:19:03 PM »
Emb? Website or number to join I'm sick of usa and mys! Their check timing is enough to put up my interest by huge

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #4006 on: November 21, 2020, 11:26:47 PM »
Emb? Website or number to join I'm sick of usa and mys! Their check timing is enough to put up my interest by huge
I actually recently (and surprisingly) got a check real quick!
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #4007 on: November 22, 2020, 02:46:37 AM »
PS I heard from a friend that works for a buying group that all the groups think that it’s a matter of time that MYS goes under and they are getting smaller and smaller...
or maybe they will just put their act together and live up to the other groups standards
what do u mean by getting "smaller and smaller"?

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« Reply #4008 on: November 22, 2020, 08:55:17 AM »
PS I heard from a friend that works for a buying group that all the groups think that it’s a matter of time that MYS goes under and they are getting smaller and smaller...

This is far from true. They just doubled their warehouse space and are backed by a huge line of credit from a very large bank. I don't know what the future holds, but they definitely haven't shrunk lately.
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #4009 on: November 22, 2020, 08:57:23 AM »
or maybe they will just put their act together and live up to the other groups standards
what do u mean by getting "smaller and smaller"?
as everyone is going to the other groups

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #4010 on: November 22, 2020, 08:58:36 AM »
This is far from true. They just doubled their warehouse space and are backed by a huge line of credit from a very large bank. I don't know what the future holds, but they definitely haven't shrunk lately.
when did they double the warehouse space? If i remember correctly that was 2 black friday ago.

Lots have happened since then

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #4011 on: November 22, 2020, 08:59:11 AM »
when did they double the warehouse space? If i remember correctly that was 2 black friday ago.

Lots have happened since then

Within the last few months.
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #4012 on: November 22, 2020, 10:41:02 AM »
can we get a response to the allegations by @mys?

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« Reply #4013 on: November 22, 2020, 10:43:22 AM »
can we get a response to the allegations by @mys?
Last time we went down that road the thread got deleted.

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #4014 on: November 22, 2020, 10:43:48 AM »
can we get a response by @mys to the allegations?
FTFY CMIIW
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« Reply #4015 on: November 22, 2020, 10:45:11 AM »
FTFY CMIIW
He wants a response by @mys

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #4016 on: November 22, 2020, 10:47:10 AM »
He wants a response by @mys
Exactly why the line is off..
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« Reply #4017 on: November 22, 2020, 11:04:33 AM »
Exactly why the line is off..
Ninja edit there ;)

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #4018 on: November 22, 2020, 11:55:28 PM »
Emb? Website or number to join?
Anyone?
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« Reply #4019 on: November 23, 2020, 12:19:52 AM »
Anyone?
Posted upthread.
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