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BEFORE SWIPING FOR SOMEONE READ THIS: (first hand story)

https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=36812.msg2062371#msg2062371
https://www.dansdeals.com/more/dans-commentary/dark-side-earning-credit-card-points-psa-dont-swipe-others/#comment-1399884


Dan's warning to DDF:
I hope people realize that any buying group or anyone else that gets merchandise in advance of payment can go south at any time. That's even if you get a check at the time of delivery.
X-posting as I don't want anyone to say that I never put a warning here.

A story that ended up in court - https://iapps.courts.state.ny.us/nyscef/DocumentList?docketId=iRcRHuyZUdOIx69D00a5XQ==&display=all&courtType=Kings%20County%20Supreme%20Court&resultsPageNum=1


I am one of the biggest buyers for buying groups, I have done millions in transactions and have sent to every group there is over the past 3 years. Most buying groups are okay, some scan in slower than others, some pay slower than others - most will lose a few packages over the year. You can research and find which are better for you.

However there is a bigger problem now with Amazon itself.  Amazon in the past has been great with any problems always ready with a refund for lost packages even if it was thousands of dollars. Lately Amazon has clamped down and has tagged these buying groups addresses  in their systems as "freight forwarder" and now no longer will fix any problem you have whatsoever. Doesn't matter what the problem is, even if it shows the package was never delivered, amazon will not help you in any way. Their copy and paste response will always be "this item was sent to a freight forwarder and we're unable to replace or refund the item. We recommend contacting your freight forwarder for more details, as we don't have any more insight or information regarding this matter, For more information about sending items via freight forwarders, please visit our Help Pages: https://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html?nodeId=201117950." As well the amazon drivers either must know this or have been increasingly bad at delivering packages because the numbers of packages missing has gone up astronomically. Previously you would have very few packages missing, now the past 3 months I have had 59 "lost" packages. I now have over $15,000 of loses and some guy in Delaware is probably living the life with all the stuff he stole from me. I will survive, I have made a lot more than $15,000 over the years however just a warning to others here that things are not as they used to be and it really is no longer worth doing buring groups with all the loses piling up

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #4160 on: January 10, 2021, 10:54:33 AM »
Especially considering that as a merchant you’re unlikely to lose a chargeback on a high-ticket charge if you did your part.

A friend of mine owns a clothing store in boro park where the vast majority of customers are religious jews. You would be shocked to hear the amount of chargebacks that take place. People dispute charges for any reason. If they don't like the way the dress looks, if the store doesn't accept returns, even of they are too lazy to go return the item, etc. Insurance is very important, sometimes there is nothing the merchant can do.

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #4161 on: January 10, 2021, 10:59:18 AM »
A friend of mine owns a clothing store in boro park where the vast majority of customers are religious jews. You would be shocked to hear the amount of chargebacks that take place. People dispute charges for any reason. If they don't like the way the dress looks, if the store doesn't accept returns, even of they are too lazy to go return the item, etc. Insurance is very important, sometimes there is nothing the merchant can do.

Don’t tell me they lose all those chargebacks, that would be frightening.
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #4162 on: January 10, 2021, 03:18:53 PM »
Don’t tell me they lose all those chargebacks, that would be frightening.
Of course not, but they lose enough that it hurts them.

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #4163 on: January 10, 2021, 03:22:00 PM »
He also mentioned to me that a lot of stores report those customers to each other. Sort of blacklist them from paying via cc.

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #4164 on: January 10, 2021, 03:24:24 PM »
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I wonder if this (the fact that he used his own terminal) could result in criminal charges. Does anyone know?
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #4165 on: January 11, 2021, 12:13:32 AM »
A friend of mine owns a clothing store in boro park where the vast majority of customers are religious jews. You would be shocked to hear the amount of chargebacks that take place. People dispute charges for any reason. If they don't like the way the dress looks, if the store doesn't accept returns, even of they are too lazy to go return the item, etc. Insurance is very important, sometimes there is nothing the merchant can do.
I think there are people who don't know to use return/purchase protection and just dispute it on the credit card. This really hurts the businesses.

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #4166 on: January 13, 2021, 07:26:50 PM »
mys is now less than a week behind on deliveries, and being super fast on checks the last few weeks.
i must say a great relief

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #4167 on: January 15, 2021, 10:43:24 AM »
Closeoutnj same day scan in. Delivery this morning scanned in 5 minutes ago!
Still looking for a good MS method :)

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #4168 on: January 18, 2021, 10:35:15 AM »
Closeoutnj same day scan in. Delivery this morning scanned in 5 minutes ago!
not for me
have item showing delivered on 1/14 not checked in :(

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #4169 on: January 18, 2021, 10:59:28 AM »
not for me
have item showing delivered on 1/14 not checked in :(
to de or lkwd?

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #4170 on: January 18, 2021, 11:03:44 AM »
to de or lkwd?
FTR mine was lkwd. Wondering if his was DE. If I recall correctly de is slower
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #4171 on: January 18, 2021, 11:07:35 AM »
FTR mine was lkwd. Wondering if his was DE. If I recall correctly de is slower
Yes I believe they bring all de stuff to lkwd to get scanned.

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #4172 on: January 18, 2021, 11:18:32 AM »
to de or lkwd?
de
last time i also sent to de and it was shorter

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #4173 on: January 26, 2021, 03:52:47 PM »
mys is currently ahead of closeoutnj on checking in
theyre checking in items delivered on jan 22
closeoutnj hasnt checked in yet items from jan 21

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #4174 on: February 11, 2021, 06:30:46 PM »
I recently bought an Apple watch for a bg for $300 and it was scanned in as a different version at $270.

Amazon shows they shipped correct item and the BG is saying they scan the bar codes and they cannot make a mistake.

Actually, for the last two weeks they haven't responded to me.

Anyone have such an experience and any suggestions?

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #4175 on: February 11, 2021, 06:39:24 PM »
Very possible amazon sent the wrong item. Check the serial number on your account and see what item Apple has it listed at
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #4176 on: February 11, 2021, 06:40:20 PM »
I recently bought an Apple watch for a bg for $300 and it was scanned in as a different version at $270.

Amazon shows they shipped correct item and the BG is saying they scan the bar codes and they cannot make a mistake.

Actually, for the last two weeks they haven't responded to me.

Anyone have such an experience and any suggestions?
Compare the serial number of what was sent. You can see from there if Amazon messed up which most of the time is the case. Basically the last 4 numbers are always the same for each type of watch.

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #4177 on: February 11, 2021, 07:50:15 PM »
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I tried searching for them on apple's site but they don't come up.

Ok, so maybe Amazon sent the wrong item. How do I fight them, if I don't have the item to return?

The BG said they will try to find my items and then they went silent.

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« Reply #4178 on: February 11, 2021, 07:56:00 PM »
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I tried searching for them on apple's site but they don't come up.

Ok, so maybe Amazon sent the wrong item. How do I fight them, if I don't have the item to return?

The BG said they will try to find my items and then they went silent.
Often amazon places their own sticker on the item with a barcode that only amazon knows. I've seen many times the wrong sticker on the wrong item. I received a cheaper tablet once. Someone else received a tablet 2x as valuable.
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #4179 on: February 12, 2021, 12:33:34 AM »
I recently bought an Apple watch for a bg for $300 and it was scanned in as a different version at $270.

Amazon shows they shipped correct item and the BG is saying they scan the bar codes and they cannot make a mistake.

Actually, for the last two weeks they haven't responded to me.

Anyone have such an experience and any suggestions?
Yes with the watches recently they’ve been placing wrong stickers lots of times. One bg just showed me a watch that I brought in that had a different color on Amazon’s sticker as opposed to the actual watch color. And I was told they’re having lots of issues with watches sent to DE. Was just a different color so they took it, but was clearly a mistake done by Amazon. Can’t really blame the bg for this.